Jocko Podcast 39 w/ Echo Charles - Brave Men

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Yeah, that, that, that, that, that, when you think about that, like the engineers in a war zone, right, it's not like compared to like an MMA fight right, the cut man, where he's like facilitating all these things, giving water whatever, but that's between rounds. I don't think like you know other times less there they're asking specifically so like my daughter she's three and half now she's kind of like a bigger three and half to and she comes runs up wakes me up a lot of times and is like hey carry me downstairs so when I sit up she jumps on my back. And you know, this is the power of that, just knowing like these are the heavy bombers, which you know, it's no big deal to us now because we have giant machines, but a heavy bomber back then was like a. But you know, when he's like, um, and then a new sound gradually drawn into our ears, a sound deep and all encompassing with no notes in it, just a gigantic far away surge of doom like sound. And understand, I mean, I can't, you know, we were, you know, the, the, imagine fighting against other troops that were as well trained as you are, which is what you're doing in Germany when you're, when you're invading France, you're going against, I mean, the insurgents, they're, they're a hard fight, they're an enemy that I respect their capabilities, but they're not as well trained or as well organized or as well led as, let's say, the German army in World War II, right? I want to wake up in the morning and the thing is like I said when you're like when I think of when someone says you give joint pain I'm thinking when I work out that's it. Like, oh, yeah, we need rash guards because people were saying, hey, you need like this rash guards. and then you know a week later like man my shoulders good to go you know it really works so it does really work. But I like about that is because I don't want to ask people like a lot of people that want to donate money. you know how like if you just didn't warm up at all you can just jump it's like that feeling. oh I got a focus like I got a focus on like my Not like they're like, timid, you know? You know, oh, he's, you know, just looks like a regular guy. And one of the things that Ernie Pile was known for was capturing what it was like, not for the big general, not for the big strut strategist, but what it was like to live every day as it as a crunch. It would be 12 more times more powerful where I'd be like, oh my god, it'd be just power because when you read it aloud and now I'm a little bit more aware that hey, you're going to have to read this. So he's going to try and like explain what that was like. Oh, man, this is like, if you go like biking and stuff, that's really what it's for. Little briefing from the lieutenant, who's going to tell him how they're going to push through this little and clear out this little pocket of enemy resistance. It's almost like a collective like, hey, we all shop at Amazon and this thing together. And then meanwhile, as the movie kind of program, you see him in action, it's like, dang, for a school teacher, these guys are, you know, they're really getting the job done. and it's cool good, but this is the first time Now you like I get I got you the krill us now you get that so when I run out, go ahead give me another krill oil. And so that was like an exposure of, like, yeah, this is the human. Like for example, the he talked about the the one plane that I think he got hit or was crashing and compared to big he said it was a spear light lit spear with the smoke trail. And now he's talking about what it was like, what's going through their minds as they're going to partake in this art invasion.

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[00:00:00] This is Jockel Podcast number 39 with echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink. Good evening, echo. Good evening.
[00:00:14] I heard of a high British officer who went over the battlefield just after the action was over.
[00:00:24] American boys were still lying dead in their foxholes. Their rifle still grasped and firing position in their dead hands.
[00:00:34] And the veteran English soldier remarked,
[00:00:39] time and again in a sort of hushed eulogy spoken only to himself. Brave men. Brave men.
[00:00:54] And that is the name of the book we are going to delve into now. Brave men.
[00:01:03] And a few episodes ago we talked with Keirin Dardi, Warford Toggerfer.
[00:01:13] And when we talked with him we talked about Warcorrespondence as well.
[00:01:20] And I wanted to get a warcorrespondent here. And in this case the one that we're going to be talking to is possibly the most famous warcorrespondent ever,
[00:01:41] Guy by the name Ernie Pile. And we will join him now on a warship,
[00:01:51] steaming towards an inevitable invasion.
[00:02:08] The front line soldier I knew lived for months like an animal.
[00:02:13] And was a veteran in the cruel fierce world of death.
[00:02:19] Everything was abnormal and unstable in his life. He was filthy dirty.
[00:02:25] Eight if and when slept on hard ground without cover. His clothes were greasy and he lived in a constant haze of dust
[00:02:34] pestered by flies and heat moving constantly deprived of all things that once meant stability.
[00:02:42] Things such as walls, chairs, floors, windows, faucets, shelves, Coca-Cola.
[00:02:52] And the little matter of knowing that he would go to bed at night in the same place he had left in the morning.
[00:02:59] The front line soldier has to harden his inside as well as his outside or he would crack under the strain.
[00:03:09] Some thoughts from early pile out on a ship getting ready for this invasion talking about what the soldiers were like.
[00:03:17] And he'd been in Africa. And now he's out there with sailors and he has something to say about the sailors as well.
[00:03:24] Of course, when sailors die, death for them is just as horrible.
[00:03:29] And sometimes they die in greater masses than soldiers.
[00:03:33] But until the enemy comes over the horizon, a sailor doesn't have to fight.
[00:03:38] A front line soldier has to fight everything all the time.
[00:03:43] It makes a difference in a man's character.
[00:03:49] And an early pile goes on to talk about what he thinks of the front line soldier.
[00:03:57] Everyone by now knows how I feel about the infantry.
[00:04:01] I'm a rabid one man movement bent on tracking down and stamping out everybody else in the world who doesn't fully appreciate the common front line soldier.
[00:04:13] And if I haven't made myself perfectly clear in everything I say and everything I do, that's the same exact feeling that I have about the infantry.
[00:04:29] Respect and admiration.
[00:04:33] And now he's talking about what it was like, what's going through their minds as they're going to partake in this art invasion.
[00:04:42] And he had to remember he's going on invasion too.
[00:04:45] But when he's when these things are happening, this is a war correspondent.
[00:04:49] This isn't somebody that's reporting from some safe position.
[00:04:53] And you're going to see plenty of that here.
[00:04:55] He's going in.
[00:04:57] So he can relate to what the troopers are going through mentally.
[00:05:03] And this is a very, really accurate description.
[00:05:11] And back to the book.
[00:05:14] I don't believe one of us was afraid of the physical part of dying.
[00:05:19] That isn't the way it is.
[00:05:20] The emotion is rather one of almost desperate reluctance to give up the future.
[00:05:27] They're not afraid of the physical stuff.
[00:05:29] It's the reluctance to give up the future.
[00:05:34] I suppose that splitting hairs and that it really all comes under the heading of fear.
[00:05:40] Yet somehow there is a difference.
[00:05:43] These gravely yearn for futures of men going into battle include so many things.
[00:05:50] Things such as seeing the old lady again of going to college, of staying in the Navy for a career,
[00:05:56] of holding on your knee just once your own kid whom you've never seen.
[00:06:01] Of again becoming champion salesman of your territory,
[00:06:05] or driving a cold truck around streets of Kansas City once more.
[00:06:10] And yes, even just sitting in the sun once more on the south side of a house in New Mexico.
[00:06:16] When we huddled around together on the dark decks,
[00:06:20] it was these little hopes and ambitions that made up the sum total of our worry at leaving,
[00:06:27] rather than any visualization of physical agony to come.
[00:06:36] Very, very accurate.
[00:06:42] Now, and I got to say that with this book, this is a fairly, fairly thick book.
[00:06:50] What do we got? Almost 500 pages.
[00:06:53] And I had to burn through big chunks of it to get to some of the stuff that I wanted to cover.
[00:07:01] But there's a lot of very important detail in here.
[00:07:05] And one of the things that Ernie Pile was known for was capturing what it was like,
[00:07:09] not for the big general, not for the big strut strategist,
[00:07:13] but what it was like to live every day as it as a crunch.
[00:07:21] So the invasion takes place, and I think this was the, they went into Italy.
[00:07:26] And Ernie actually spent that invasion on the ship, the initial part of the invasion,
[00:07:32] and then he goes ashore. And for whatever reason, he gets sick.
[00:07:35] It's like sick.
[00:07:37] So, it doesn't get wounded, but he just gets ill, and he ends up in a field hospital.
[00:07:43] And we've had several, several books take us into field hospitals,
[00:07:48] and we know that they are a horrible, horrible place.
[00:07:53] But there is some pretty glorious things that come out of those two,
[00:07:59] and I'll go to the book here.
[00:08:01] It was flabbergassing to me to lie there and hear wounded soldiers,
[00:08:06] cuss and beg to be sent right back to the fight.
[00:08:11] Of course, not all of them did that.
[00:08:13] It depended on a severity of their wounds, and on their individual personalities,
[00:08:17] just as it wouldn't peace time.
[00:08:19] But at least a third of the less severely wounded men asked if they couldn't return to duty immediately.
[00:08:31] So all those fears that we just talked about, and then you go into battle,
[00:08:35] and you get wounded, and the first thing you do when you get back to the aid station,
[00:08:39] and say, send me back to the front.
[00:08:42] He goes into a specific case here.
[00:08:46] One big blonde infantryman had slight flesh wounds in the face,
[00:08:50] and the back of his neck.
[00:08:51] He had a patch on his upper lip, which prevented him from moving it,
[00:08:54] and made him talk in a grave, straight-faced manner that was comical.
[00:08:58] I've never seen anybody so mad in my life.
[00:09:01] He went from one doctor to another, trying to get somebody to sign his card,
[00:09:04] returning him to duty.
[00:09:05] The doctors explained patiently that if he returned to the front,
[00:09:08] his wounds become infected,
[00:09:10] and he would be a burden to his company, instead of a help.
[00:09:14] They tried to entice him by telling him there would be nurses back in the hospital,
[00:09:18] but in his peaceful Oklahoma draw, he retorted to hell with the nurses.
[00:09:23] I want to get back to fighting.
[00:09:26] Dying men were brought into our tent.
[00:09:31] Men whose death rattles silence the conversation and made us all thoughtful.
[00:09:36] When a man was almost gone, the surgeons would put a piece of gauze over his face.
[00:09:41] He could breathe through it, but we couldn't see his face well.
[00:09:46] Twice within five minutes, Chaplin's came running.
[00:09:50] One of those occasions haunted me for hours.
[00:09:53] The wounded man was still semi-conscious.
[00:09:56] The Chaplin knelt down beside him, and two ward boys squatted nearby.
[00:10:01] The Chaplin said,
[00:10:02] John, I'm going to say a prayer for you.
[00:10:06] Somehow this stark announcement hit me like a hammer.
[00:10:10] It didn't say I'm going to pray for you to get well.
[00:10:13] He just said he was going to say a prayer.
[00:10:16] And it was obvious to me that he meant a final prayer.
[00:10:21] He voiced the prayer, and the weak, gasping man tried vainly to repeat the words after him.
[00:10:28] When he had finished the Chaplin added, John, you're doing fine.
[00:10:33] You're doing fine.
[00:10:35] Then he rose and dashed off on some other call,
[00:10:39] and the ward boys went about their duties.
[00:10:43] The dying man was left utterly alone.
[00:10:48] Just lying there on his litter, on the ground, lying in an aisle because the tent was full.
[00:10:55] Of course it couldn't be otherwise.
[00:10:58] But the aloneness of that man, as he went through the last few minutes of his life, was what tormented me.
[00:11:06] I felt like going over, and at least holding his hand while he died,
[00:11:12] but it would have been out of order, and I didn't do it.
[00:11:18] I wish now I had.
[00:11:34] In addition to talking about the infantry, he also talks about the engineers,
[00:11:43] and for those of you that don't know, engineers are basically military construction people, that build things.
[00:11:51] They also do other jobs like getting rid of mines and doing mine clearance.
[00:11:56] They do that often as well.
[00:11:59] And we'll go back to the book.
[00:12:03] During the latter days of the Sicilian campaign, I spent all my time with combat engineers of two different divisions.
[00:12:09] The engineers were in it up to their ears.
[00:12:12] Scores of times during the Sicilian fighting, I heard everybody from general's to private's remark that this is certainly an engineer's war.
[00:12:20] And indeed it was.
[00:12:22] Every foot of our advance upon the gradually withdrawing enemy was measured by the speed with which our engineers could open the highways, clear the mines,
[00:12:30] and bypass the blown bridges.
[00:12:34] And this, this was the same thing that we had in Romadi.
[00:12:40] The engineers were just absolutely.
[00:12:44] First of all, they were incredibly professional, and their job was incredibly dangerous.
[00:12:51] They were playing mines, they were doing these buildings, combat outposts in the little city.
[00:12:55] Are they armed, the engineer, in your case?
[00:12:58] Yeah, they are, but you know, picture a guy that has to go and move sandbags at the top of a building.
[00:13:06] He's carrying a 60 pound sandbag.
[00:13:09] He's got all of his gear on.
[00:13:11] And it's a semi-protected area, not fully protected.
[00:13:16] But so a lot of times, they might have a pistol on them, but they're working.
[00:13:19] They're construction work.
[00:13:20] They're working construction.
[00:13:22] You know, now that doesn't mean that they're not also picking up security when they have to.
[00:13:26] But man, it's a, it's a grueling, grueling job, and so incredibly dangerous.
[00:13:32] And the book also talks about other pieces.
[00:13:38] You know, again, we talk about infantry, but there's other pieces.
[00:13:41] There's engineers who are doing all this building.
[00:13:44] There's artillery, which is, you know, drop in bombs on the enemy.
[00:13:49] And actually, that was another surprisingly, there was artillery.
[00:13:53] But we utilize the utilize artillery fairly significantly in Ramadi.
[00:13:58] Yeah, that, that, that, that, that, when you think about that, like the engineers in a war zone,
[00:14:03] right, it's not like compared to like an MMA fight right, the cut man,
[00:14:07] where he's like facilitating all these things, giving water whatever,
[00:14:10] but that's between rounds.
[00:14:11] He's not part of the fight.
[00:14:12] The engineer guys, they're straight up, yeah, they're going to get hit.
[00:14:15] But here's the thing, they're not, they're, specifically, two fight.
[00:14:19] So they're there to do some other stuff, so it's like man, they can be blindsided.
[00:14:23] Like all that stuff.
[00:14:24] It's incredibly, and yet, you know, you think, oh, it's engineers,
[00:14:28] they're construction guys.
[00:14:29] You, you, maybe people don't, don't see them in the light of being legit combat warriors.
[00:14:34] And I'm here to tell you one hundred percent, without any shred of doubt.
[00:14:40] Those guys are hardcore combat warriors that have an incredibly tough job.
[00:14:44] And obviously, the American engineers have been just outstanding World War II.
[00:14:50] I mean, and when I saw them in a body, they were a sight to be a whole without question.
[00:14:55] And same thing, like I said, I've talked about the artillery, they used artillery in, in
[00:15:00] Ramadi, who as well, which was, which was, it was pretty cool for me, right?
[00:15:06] Because, you know, I always grew up watching World War II movies.
[00:15:09] And, and, you know, there I was in Ramadi, man,
[00:15:13] we had tanks out there in the streets, but smashing through smashing through buildings and firing
[00:15:18] their main gun rounds.
[00:15:20] And then we had engineers out there rebuilding bridges and building combat outposts.
[00:15:25] And then we had artillery that was firing counter battery out at the enemy that was shooting
[00:15:31] mortars at us.
[00:15:32] And at night, sometimes we'd fire a lumenation rounds just like a big assault in the World War II.
[00:15:39] So it was very, well, I was, I feel very lucky to have been able to experience that
[00:15:46] that almost, you know, World War II type feeling now again, I'm not comparing anything that I did
[00:15:51] do a veteran from World War II by any stretch of the imagination.
[00:15:55] But it was cool to get a little taste of it.
[00:15:57] Just a little, this, a little taste of it, just a little taste of it.
[00:16:01] And understand, I mean, I can't, you know, we were, you know, the, the,
[00:16:05] imagine fighting against other troops that were as well trained as you are, which is what
[00:16:10] you're doing in Germany when you're, when you're invading France, you're going against,
[00:16:14] I mean, the insurgents, they're, they're a hard fight, they're an enemy that I respect their capabilities,
[00:16:22] but they're not as well trained or as well organized or as well led as, let's say, the German army
[00:16:29] in World War II, right?
[00:16:31] So it's a tough enemy.
[00:16:35] And so as he continues through the book and as I said, I, this is a big thick book and I had to
[00:16:42] really be selective about what to call out.
[00:16:46] He talks about the various phases of the war.
[00:16:49] He talks pretty big chunk about the air war, but really it's all leading towards
[00:16:56] one thing. It's all leading towards one event. It's all leading towards one invasion and that's
[00:17:03] a day.
[00:17:06] And he spends time in England, you know, they're doing the preparation and they're having
[00:17:11] their, doing what the Americans did in England when they were getting ready.
[00:17:15] And then finally, they get the word that the mission is going to commence.
[00:17:23] And we'll go to the book.
[00:17:27] We felt our chances were not very good and we were not happy about it.
[00:17:33] Men like Don Whitehead and Clark Lee, who had been through the mill so long and so boldly,
[00:17:40] began to get nerves.
[00:17:43] Frankly, I was the worst of a lot and continued to be.
[00:17:47] I began having terrible periods of depression and often would dream hideous dreams.
[00:17:54] All the time fear lay blackly deep upon our consciousness.
[00:17:59] It wore down on our hearts like an all-consuming weight.
[00:18:03] People would talk to us and we wouldn't want to hear what they were saying.
[00:18:08] Now those, again, those are the correspondence.
[00:18:11] Those are the war correspondence.
[00:18:13] That's the guy who he's talking about.
[00:18:15] They, when they bring them together, they're talking like a squad or a platoon of war correspondence.
[00:18:21] And they are scared to death.
[00:18:26] The Army said they would try and give us 24 hours notice of departure.
[00:18:30] Actually, the call came at nine o'clock one morning and we were ordered to be in a certain place with full field kit at 10 30 AM.
[00:18:38] We threw our stuff stuff together.
[00:18:42] Probably a smart way to do it.
[00:18:44] You know, hey, we'll give you 24 hours advance notice.
[00:18:47] Don't worry, you know, we'll let you know.
[00:18:48] Hey, report an hour.
[00:18:50] Because, because, and he's going to talk about this,
[00:18:53] the waiting isn't, isn't, is not good.
[00:18:56] That is, that is the stress part.
[00:18:59] And it's the same thing with everything.
[00:19:01] Anything that, actually, you know, like a Gigietsu tournament,
[00:19:04] when you're waiting to compete, that's the worst part.
[00:19:07] Once you, once you go, okay, your mind is free.
[00:19:10] And you're just doing what you do.
[00:19:12] Even during a workout.
[00:19:13] If you've got a hard workout that you're going to do, you're dreading it.
[00:19:17] And I do this.
[00:19:18] I'll be like, like, if I have squats.
[00:19:20] And I'm sitting there, I'll make all kinds of, maybe I need to stretch a little bit more.
[00:19:24] And you know what, let me just grab a little bit more water.
[00:19:27] And then let me check the line up of the music that's going to play and just make sure that that's good to go.
[00:19:33] And, oh, no, no, is this bumper plate looking straight?
[00:19:35] I'm going to straighten that out.
[00:19:36] So you just sit there and have it all.
[00:19:37] And then finally walk over.
[00:19:39] You press your start and your stop watch.
[00:19:42] And then there's no stopping.
[00:19:43] You just go.
[00:19:44] And it half an hour later.
[00:19:47] The deed is done.
[00:19:49] You know, but the waiting.
[00:19:50] Yep.
[00:19:51] It's good.
[00:19:52] Yeah.
[00:19:52] If it's going down, let's get it over with kind of thing.
[00:19:55] Yeah.
[00:19:55] You know what?
[00:19:56] This is that Shakespeare court that I read one time on here.
[00:19:58] With that moment in between taking the action.
[00:20:01] And when you think of the action, and when you take the action, that moment is an eternity.
[00:20:05] Yeah.
[00:20:06] And a mess.
[00:20:07] So you got to close the distance on that thing.
[00:20:10] Which is exactly what they did.
[00:20:12] Oh, we'll give you 24 hours.
[00:20:13] No, I'm going to close the distance.
[00:20:14] You got an hour after.
[00:20:15] Yeah.
[00:20:16] You're with your gear.
[00:20:17] Ready to get it on.
[00:20:19] Back to the book.
[00:20:20] Bill Stoneman, another correspondent who had been wounded once, never showed the slightest concern.
[00:20:25] Whether he felt any concern or not, I could not tell.
[00:20:28] Bill had a humorous, sardonic manner while we were waiting for departure into the unknown.
[00:20:34] He took out a pencil and a notebook.
[00:20:37] As though starting to interview me.
[00:20:39] Tell me, Mr. Pile, how does it feel to be an assault correspondent?
[00:20:43] Being a man of few words.
[00:20:45] I said, it feels awful.
[00:20:48] We had hardly got a board when the lines were cast off and we pulled out.
[00:20:57] That evening, the Colonel commanding the troops on our ship gave me the whole invasion plan in detail.
[00:21:04] The secret, the whole world had waited years to hear.
[00:21:08] Once a man had heard it, it became permanently part of it.
[00:21:12] He became permanently part of it.
[00:21:14] Then he was committed.
[00:21:16] He was too late to back out, even if his heart failed him.
[00:21:21] I asked a good many questions.
[00:21:23] I realized my voice was shaking when I spoke, but I couldn't help it.
[00:21:27] Yes, it would be tough the Colonel admitted.
[00:21:31] Our own part would be precarious.
[00:21:33] He hoped to go in with his few casualties as possible.
[00:21:36] But there would be casualties.
[00:21:40] From a vague anticipatory dread, the invasion now turned into a horrible reality for me.
[00:21:46] In a matter of hours, the Holocaust of our own planning would swirl over us.
[00:21:52] No man could guarantee his own fate.
[00:21:55] It was almost too much for me.
[00:21:58] A feeling of utter desperation obsessed me throughout the night.
[00:22:02] It was nearly 4am before I got to sleep, and then it was a sleep harassed and torn by an awful knowledge.
[00:22:17] My devastating sense of fear and depression disappeared when we approached the beachhead.
[00:22:26] There was the old familiar crack and roar of big guns all around us, and the shore was a great brown haze of smoke and dust.
[00:22:34] And we knew that the bombers would be over us that night, yet all the haunting premonition, the soul consuming dread was gone.
[00:22:42] The war was perzeic to me again.
[00:22:45] And I believe that was true of everyone aboard, even those who had never been in combat before.
[00:22:52] Again, once this gig kicks off, all that horror is gone, and now it's time to get the job done.
[00:23:00] So, when you're out there in the world, and you're feeling that dread and your feeling that hesitation just step.
[00:23:09] Go.
[00:23:10] It's not helping you to sit around to be nervous.
[00:23:13] It's not helping you to see if you need another little sip of water before we start doing what you're doing.
[00:23:18] There's bad news to deliver in your business. There's no sense in doing another pace lap outside the room where people are waiting to hear from you.
[00:23:26] Get in and get it going.
[00:23:32] Now, he does a great job here telling about how hard this actually was.
[00:23:40] Because you know, we go, oh, D-D-A-Y-A. Oh, yeah, it was a tough fight.
[00:23:45] Here's some detail on that.
[00:23:47] I want to tell you what the opening of the second front in that one sector entails so that you can know and appreciate and forever be humbly grateful to those both dead and alive who did it for you.
[00:24:01] A sure facing us were more enemy troops than we had in our assault waves.
[00:24:07] The advantages were all theirs. The disadvantages all ours.
[00:24:11] The Germans were dug into positions. They had been working on for months, although they were not entirely complete.
[00:24:19] A 100 foot bluff, a couple of hundred yards back from the beach, had had great concrete gun emplacements built right into the hilltop.
[00:24:29] These open to the sides instead of the front, thus making it hard for naval fire from the sea to reach them.
[00:24:35] They could shoot parallel to the shore and cover every foot of it from miles with artillery fire.
[00:24:41] A hundred foot cliff, by the way.
[00:24:45] Just don't, let's not even worry about the enemy. A hundred foot cliff after you come out of the water.
[00:24:50] That's what you're facing. Then you put in pill boxes and you put Germans in those pill boxes.
[00:24:55] By the way, more Germans in their are Americans.
[00:24:59] It's a nightmare back to the book.
[00:25:03] Then they had hidden machine gun nests on the forward slopes with crossfire taking in every inch of the beach.
[00:25:09] These nests were connected by networks of trenches so that the German gunners could move about without exposing themselves.
[00:25:15] Throughout the length of the beach running zigzag, a couple hundred yards back from the shoreline,
[00:25:20] one is an immense V-shaped ditch 15 feet deep.
[00:25:24] Nothing could cross it, not even meant on foot until it filled until fills had been made.
[00:25:29] And in other places at the far end of the beach where the ground was flatter, they had concrete walls.
[00:25:35] These were blasted by our naval gunfire or by explosives by hand after we got ashore.
[00:25:40] Our only exits from the beach were several swales or valleys each one about a hundred yards wide.
[00:25:46] The Germans made the most of those funnel-like traps, sowing them with buried mines.
[00:25:52] They also contained barbed wire entanglement with mines attached hidden ditches and machine guns firing from the slopes.
[00:26:02] This is just it's it's unbelievable.
[00:26:06] It's unbelievable.
[00:26:08] The amount of defenses that were in place and the fact that we pushed through it.
[00:26:14] And I humbly use the term we.
[00:26:20] All this was done on the shore, but our men had to go through a maze nearly as deadly before they even got ashore.
[00:26:29] Under water obstacles were terrific, under the water the Germans had whole fields of evil devices to catch our boats.
[00:26:36] Several days after landing we had cleared only channels through them, and still could not approach the whole length of the beach with our ships.
[00:26:43] Even then some ship or boat would hit one of those mines and be knocked out of commission.
[00:26:48] The Germans had masses of great six pronged spiders made of railroad iron and standing shoulder high just beneath the surface of the water for a landing craft to run into.
[00:26:59] They had huge logs buried in the sand pointing upward and outward.
[00:27:03] Their tops just below the water.
[00:27:06] Attached to the logs were mines.
[00:27:10] In addition to these obstacles they had floating mines offshore, land mines buried in the sand of the beach and more mines checkerboard in checkerboard road.
[00:27:17] In checkerboard rows in the tall grass beyond the sand.
[00:27:20] The end, the enemy had four men on shore for every three men we had approaching the shore.
[00:27:27] And yet we got on.
[00:27:32] Going against a defended position is so very difficult.
[00:27:39] The odds were in in docked in urban warfare. You're supposed to have ten men for every one defender.
[00:27:49] Ten men for every one defender. And here we were out and out man.
[00:27:54] Against a heavily defended fortified position.
[00:28:00] So how do you do it? Well back to the book.
[00:28:03] As one officer said the only way to take a beach is to face it and keep going.
[00:28:08] It is costly at first but that is the only way.
[00:28:12] If the men are pinned down on the beach dug in and out of action, they made as well not be there at all.
[00:28:17] They hold up the waves behind them and nothing is being gained.
[00:28:23] So are the war sons who attack what guess what?
[00:28:26] You just only one way to do this. You gotta do it.
[00:28:37] And now he talks about as the carnage.
[00:28:44] After the afflian initial beach head had been taken, he talks about some of the carnage that remains there.
[00:28:52] In this shoreline museum of carnage, there were abandoned roles of barbed wire and smashed boulder dozers and big stacks of thrown away life belts and piles of shells still waiting to be moved.
[00:29:04] In the water floated empty life rafts and soldiers packs and ration boxes and mysterious oranges.
[00:29:11] On the beach lay snarred roles of telephone wire and big rules of steel madding and stacks of broken rusting rifles.
[00:29:21] But there was another and more human litter.
[00:29:25] It extended in a thin little line, just like a high water mark from miles along the beach.
[00:29:32] This was the stroom personal gear that would never be needed again by those who fought and died to give us our entrance into Europe.
[00:29:41] There in a jumbled role for mile on mile, were soldiers packs.
[00:29:48] There were socks and shoe polish sewing kits, diaries, bibles, hands-groomed hand grenades.
[00:29:54] There were the latest letters from home, with the address on each one neatly razored out.
[00:29:59] One of the security precautions enforced before the boys embarked.
[00:30:04] There were toothbrushes and razors and snapshots and families back home staring up at you from the sand.
[00:30:11] There were pocketbooks, metal mirrors, extra trousers, and bloody abandoned shoes.
[00:30:19] There were broken handleed shovels and portable radio smashed almost beyond recognition and mind detectors twisted and ruined.
[00:30:28] There were torn pistol belts and canvas water buckets, first aid kits, and jumbled heaps of life belts.
[00:30:38] I picked up a pocket Bible with a soldier's name in it and put it in my jacket.
[00:30:44] I carried it half a mile or so and then put it back down on the beach.
[00:30:50] I don't know why I picked it up or why I put it down again.
[00:30:56] Soldiers carry strange things with them, ashore.
[00:31:02] In every invasion there's at least one soldier hitting the beach at eight hour with a banjo slung over a shoulder.
[00:31:09] The most ironic piece of equipment marking our beach, the first this beach, first of despair, then a victory, was a tennis racket.
[00:31:17] That some soldier had brought along.
[00:31:19] It lay lonely on the sand clamped and it's press, not a string broken.
[00:31:26] Two of the most dominant items on the beach refuse. In the beach refuse were cigarettes and riding paper.
[00:31:34] Each soldier was issued a carton of cigarettes just before he started.
[00:31:39] That day those cartons by the thousand water soaked and spilled out marked the line of our first savage blow.
[00:31:47] Riding paper and air mail envelopes came second.
[00:31:52] The boys intended to do a lot of writing in France.
[00:31:56] Imagine the letters. Now forever incapable of being written.
[00:32:02] That might have filled those blank abandoned pages.
[00:32:07] Now talking a little bit about the German prisoners as they start to roll up German prisoners.
[00:32:24] Some of the German officers were pleased at being captured.
[00:32:28] But the died in the wool Nazi was not.
[00:32:33] They brought in a young one who was furious. He considered it thoroughly unethical for us to fight so hard.
[00:32:40] That's right.
[00:32:42] Did you hear the rest of it?
[00:32:44] He thought it was unethical how hard the Americans fought.
[00:32:49] The Americans had attacked all night and the Germans don't like a night attacks.
[00:32:54] We're coming to get you.
[00:32:56] And this special fellow was brought in when this special fellow was brought in. He protested in rage. You Americans the way you fight.
[00:33:04] That is this is not war. This is madness.
[00:33:07] The German was so outraged she never even got the irony of his own remarks.
[00:33:11] That madness though it were. It worked.
[00:33:17] Another high ranking officer was brought in and the first thing he asked was the whereabouts of his personal orderly.
[00:33:24] When told that his orderly was better than a macro.
[00:33:27] He flew off the handle and accused us of depriving him of his personal comfort.
[00:33:32] Who's going to dig my foxhole for me? He demanded.
[00:33:36] A little German aristocracy going on in the ranks.
[00:33:40] But what a what a testament.
[00:33:43] You know, I was just kind of talking about how tough the Germans were, which they certainly were.
[00:33:48] But here's the Germans saying,
[00:33:50] Good Lord, it's unatholic that you fight this hard. That's right.
[00:33:56] The Germans thought they were rolling light.
[00:34:00] You know, hey, let's roll light.
[00:34:02] The Americans were like, now we're going to 80cc.
[00:34:05] Yeah, no, no. It's on the same old championships.
[00:34:08] Literally the world championships.
[00:34:11] I always, you know, American the American fighting spirit is a powerful power for force.
[00:34:19] And sometimes people don't recognize that because you know what?
[00:34:23] We're living here pretty good and even back then.
[00:34:25] Now we're coming out of the depression.
[00:34:27] So you did have some hard life in America.
[00:34:31] But you can trace that pre-depression.
[00:34:34] Americans fight hard.
[00:34:36] There's no doubt about it.
[00:34:39] And I've personally witnessed the spirit of the American soldier.
[00:34:47] And it is a damn impressive thing.
[00:34:51] Going to get into some, well, the name of the chapter here is Street Fighting.
[00:35:01] One of the favorite generals among war correspondence was Major General Manten S Eddie,
[00:35:07] Commander of the 9th Division.
[00:35:09] We liked him because he was absolutely honest with us because he was sort of an old shoe and easy to talk with.
[00:35:16] And because we thought he was a mighty good general.
[00:35:20] General Eddie looked more like a school teacher than a soldier.
[00:35:23] He was a big tall man, but he wore glasses in his eyes had a sort of squint.
[00:35:28] Being a mid-westerner, he talked like one.
[00:35:32] He still claims Chicago is home, although he'd been an army officer for 28 years.
[00:35:37] He was wounded in the last war.
[00:35:39] He was not glib, but he talked well and laughed easily.
[00:35:43] And despite it being a professional soldier, he despised war and like any ordinary soul was appalled by the waste and tragedy of it.
[00:35:53] He wanted to win and get home just as badly as anybody else.
[00:36:00] General Eddie, especially like to show up in places where his soldiers wouldn't expect to see him.
[00:36:05] Little leadership lessons right now from General Eddie.
[00:36:08] Nothing wrong with smiling.
[00:36:09] Talking with the boys, knowing what's going on.
[00:36:13] And then boom, show up in places where his soldiers wouldn't expect to see him.
[00:36:17] He knew it helped the soldiers spirits to see their commanding general right up there at the front where it was hot.
[00:36:22] So he walked around the front with his long stride, never ducking or appearing to be concerned at all.
[00:36:29] One day I rode around with him on one of his tours.
[00:36:32] We stopped at a command post and we're sitting on the grass under a tree looking at maps with a group of officers around us.
[00:36:38] Our own military was banging nearby, but nothing was coming our way.
[00:36:43] Then like a flash of lightning, there came a shell just over our head so low it went right through the tree tops it seemed.
[00:36:50] It didn't whine it wished.
[00:36:52] It's wished.
[00:36:54] Everybody including full kernels flopped over and began grabbing grass.
[00:36:58] The shell exploded in the next orchard.
[00:37:01] General Eddie didn't move.
[00:37:03] He just said, that was one of our shells.
[00:37:07] The general also like to get up before a clock in the morning.
[00:37:12] Once in a while to go poking around into the message genders and mess halls, given the boys a start.
[00:37:19] Sounds like he was a little bit of an early riser.
[00:37:22] He was trying to be up before the enemy.
[00:37:24] He was definitely up before the enemy.
[00:37:26] Well apparently, you know, the Germans they were saying, hey, you're not.
[00:37:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:37:30] He's impressed over here.
[00:37:32] During the Shearborg Peninsula campaign, I spent nine days with the ninth infantry division, the division that cut the peninsula.
[00:37:40] And one of the three that overwhelmed the great port of Shearmooosh.
[00:37:45] The ninth is one of our best divisions.
[00:37:48] It landed in Africa and fall through Tunisia and Sicily.
[00:37:51] Then it went to England in the fall of 1943 and trained on a winner for the invasion of France.
[00:37:56] It was one of the American divisions in the invasion that had previous battle experience.
[00:38:03] The ninth did something in that campaign that we hadn't always done in the past.
[00:38:08] It kept tenaciously on the enemy's neck.
[00:38:12] When the Germans grew with trawl little, the ninth was right on top of them.
[00:38:16] It never gave them a chance to reassemble or get their balance.
[00:38:19] The ninth moved so fast, it got to be funny.
[00:38:22] I was based at the division command post and we struck our tents and moved forward six times in seven days.
[00:38:28] That worked the daylights out of the boys who took down and put up the tents.
[00:38:32] I overheard one of the boys saying, I'd rather be with wringling brothers.
[00:38:39] But that's a little strategic importance there.
[00:38:43] The ninth was just, oh, we're going to get you and we're going to come after you and we're not going to stop.
[00:38:49] You're not going to get a chance to recover, you're not going to get a chance to rest.
[00:38:52] Sometimes you've got to go in that mode, no matter what you're doing in life.
[00:38:57] Sometimes you've got to go in that mode.
[00:38:59] You don't back off and I'll say what you want to rest.
[00:39:02] People want to rest.
[00:39:04] But sometimes you can't.
[00:39:06] Sometimes you need to keep the pressure on.
[00:39:09] Kind of like you and Twitter.
[00:39:11] Yes, had to keep some pressure on.
[00:39:14] One day I went along quite accidentally. I assure you with an infantry company that had been assigned to clean out a pocket in the suburbs of share boorish.
[00:39:23] Since the episode was typically of the way an infantry advance into the city held by a company and enemy,
[00:39:30] I would like to try and give you a picture of it.
[00:39:32] So he's going to try and like explain what that was like.
[00:39:35] The soldiers around us had two weeks.
[00:39:39] Growth of beard and before he talks about the assault he kind of gives you a little update on this other frontline infantry troops.
[00:39:45] The soldiers around us had two weeks growth of beard.
[00:39:48] Their uniforms were worn, worn slick and very dirty.
[00:39:52] The uncomfortable gas impregnated clothes.
[00:39:55] They'd come assure it.
[00:39:57] Come, come assure it.
[00:39:59] The boys were tired.
[00:40:01] They had been fighting and moving constantly forward on foot for nearly three weeks without rest.
[00:40:06] Sleeping on the ground, wet most of the time, always tense, eating cold rations, seeing their friends die.
[00:40:14] One of them came up to me and said almost belligerently, why don't you tell the folks back home what this is like?
[00:40:22] All they hear about is victories and a lot of the glory stuff.
[00:40:26] They don't know that for every hundred yards we advance somebody gets killed.
[00:40:31] Why don't you tell them how tough this life is?
[00:40:35] I told them that I tried to do that all the time.
[00:40:38] This fellow was pretty fed up with it all.
[00:40:41] He said he didn't see why his outfit wasn't sent home.
[00:40:45] They had done all the fighting.
[00:40:47] That wasn't true at all.
[00:40:49] For there were other divisions that had fought more and taken heavier casualties.
[00:40:54] Exhaustion will make a man feel like that.
[00:40:58] A few days rest usually has him smiling again.
[00:41:03] We've heard this time and time again.
[00:41:06] Sometimes you start to get that mental fatigue.
[00:41:09] You have to take a little breather.
[00:41:11] Sometimes you have to keep the pressure on.
[00:41:13] But if you start to break people, maybe it's time, especially an individual.
[00:41:17] And Dick Winner did this.
[00:41:20] Banda Brothers, Dick Winner's beyond the band of brothers.
[00:41:24] He talked about, hey, we got this guy that's a little losing the bubble.
[00:41:27] Pull him back.
[00:41:28] He got some admin stuff to do in the rear.
[00:41:30] And take care of that boom, done. Let this guy heal up.
[00:41:33] That's what this guy needs. He needs a break. He needs a rest.
[00:41:39] And here we get the little briefing.
[00:41:41] Little briefing from the lieutenant, who's going to tell him how they're going to push through this little
[00:41:45] and clear out this little pocket of enemy resistance.
[00:41:48] This is how we'll do it.
[00:41:50] The lieutenant said, a rifle-potune goes first.
[00:41:53] Right behind them, we'll go a part of the heavy weapons-potune with machine guns to cover the first-potune.
[00:41:58] Then comes another rifle-potune.
[00:42:00] Then a small section with mortars in case they run into something pretty heavy.
[00:42:04] Then another rifle-potune.
[00:42:06] And bringing up the rear, the rest of the heavy weapons-out fit to protect us from behind.
[00:42:10] We don't know what we're running to.
[00:42:12] And I don't want to stick right out in front.
[00:42:14] So why don't you come along with me?
[00:42:16] So he's talking to Ernie Pile at that point saying, listen.
[00:42:19] I don't know what's going to be up front. You stick with me.
[00:42:22] We'll go in the middle of the company.
[00:42:24] I said, okay.
[00:42:26] By this time, I wasn't scared.
[00:42:29] You sell them our once you're into something.
[00:42:32] Anticipation is the worst.
[00:42:34] Fortunately, this little 4A came up so suddenly there wasn't time for much anticipation.
[00:42:40] The waiting.
[00:42:42] So they take, they start taking a little fire and finally the shell stop.
[00:42:49] And here we go. The shell stopped and finally the order to start was given.
[00:42:54] As we left the protection of the high wall, we had to cross a little culvert right out in the open
[00:42:58] and then make a turn in the road.
[00:43:00] The men went forward one at a time.
[00:43:02] They crouched and ran ape-like.
[00:43:05] Ape-like across this dangerous space.
[00:43:08] Then beyond the culvert, they filtered to either side of the road stopping and squatting down
[00:43:12] every now and then to wait a few moments.
[00:43:14] The lieutenant kept yelling at them as they started.
[00:43:17] Sprint it out now.
[00:43:18] Do you want to draw fire at yourselves?
[00:43:20] Don't punch up like that. Keep five yards apart.
[00:43:22] Spread it out, damn it.
[00:43:24] There's an almost irresistible pull to get close to somebody when you're in danger.
[00:43:30] And spite of themselves, the men would run up close to the fellow ahead of them for company.
[00:43:36] But obviously if you're close to your close to people and one bullet can kill two people.
[00:43:43] But you get hit with a bomb, you get hit with a grenade, you're going to kill multiple people.
[00:43:47] So you want to disperse, you want to keep your dispersion, you'll spread out.
[00:43:51] But there's this little thing that people want to just get close to other people.
[00:43:55] And everybody knows it's wrong.
[00:43:57] And actually if you remember in the beloved captain, that's what he was constantly saying,
[00:44:02] guys, spread out in the trench.
[00:44:03] Don't, hey, don't punch up and the author would say,
[00:44:07] we all just wanted to huddle together.
[00:44:09] You want to get close together, you're in fear.
[00:44:11] So you want to huddle, and it's the wrong move.
[00:44:17] Now we get into a description of the men
[00:44:20] as they're making this cross.
[00:44:22] The men didn't talk amongst themselves.
[00:44:25] They just went.
[00:44:27] They weren't heroic figures as they moved forward one at a time, a few seconds apart.
[00:44:32] You think of attackers as being savage and bold.
[00:44:36] These men were hesitant and cautious.
[00:44:39] They were really the hunters, but they looked like the hunted.
[00:44:44] There was a confused excitement in the grim anxiety in their faces.
[00:44:49] They seemed terribly pathetic to me.
[00:44:53] They weren't warriors.
[00:44:55] They were American boys who by mere chance of fate had wound up with guns in their hands,
[00:45:01] sneaking up death-laden street in a strange and shattered city in a faraway country,
[00:45:06] in a driving rain.
[00:45:08] They were afraid.
[00:45:11] But it was beyond their power to quit.
[00:45:15] They had no choice.
[00:45:17] They were good boys.
[00:45:20] I talked with them all afternoon as we sneak slowly and were along with the serious and rubbed street,
[00:45:26] and I know they were good boys.
[00:45:28] And even though they want warriors born to kill, they won their battles.
[00:45:36] That's the point.
[00:45:39] Regular guys.
[00:45:44] World War II.
[00:45:47] Regular guys.
[00:45:50] And it's not depicted.
[00:45:52] They'll throw a character like that into a movie.
[00:45:55] You know, oh, he's, you know, just looks like a regular guy.
[00:45:58] But most of the guys don't, the little ones are regular guys.
[00:46:00] They look like badass warrior heroes guys.
[00:46:04] And it's such a, you don't hear this description where he's literally saying,
[00:46:09] they weren't warriors.
[00:46:11] They seem terribly pathetic. And so you picture these guys.
[00:46:14] They got this scared, strange look on their face and guess what?
[00:46:17] They do their job.
[00:46:20] And they do it well.
[00:46:22] Yeah, it's strange.
[00:46:23] It's almost like you can look at them in both ways.
[00:46:26] Because on one hand, they're just regular guys.
[00:46:29] But when you see them in action kind of thing,
[00:46:31] you're like, oh, dang.
[00:46:32] They're getting out of their warriors, you know?
[00:46:34] Like true.
[00:46:35] I mean, I, I clearly, they're warriors that like he said,
[00:46:38] they win their battles.
[00:46:40] And even what they're doing right now,
[00:46:42] takes massive courage.
[00:46:43] You're just getting ready to step across the street where you know this is a machine gun.
[00:46:46] Fire could open up and take your life or take your legs or, you know, wound you.
[00:46:52] That, that takes some will.
[00:46:54] That takes some discipline.
[00:46:55] Yeah, I mean, how can you not just cover in the first corner you see really, you know,
[00:47:01] when you compare it to everyday life?
[00:47:03] Man, I mean, I hate to, I hate to, but I can't help but compare it to the same
[00:47:09] private right in that, that movie.
[00:47:11] Right.
[00:47:11] And, and there's a part where they indicate that everyone's been trying to guess.
[00:47:16] The job of the, oh, yes, Miller, whatever.
[00:47:21] They're trying to guess it, right?
[00:47:23] And so that was like an exposure of, like, yeah, this is the human.
[00:47:28] Back in the, yeah, you know, back in the, you know, back in the, and then he's like, yeah,
[00:47:30] I'm a school teacher and all this stuff, all this like normal stuff.
[00:47:34] And then meanwhile, as the movie kind of program,
[00:47:36] you see him in action, it's like, dang, for a school teacher, these guys are, you know,
[00:47:40] they're really getting the job done.
[00:47:42] Well, tell you, man, we were, when I first got to her body, we were there with the,
[00:47:45] the two, two, eight, which is a, which is a reserve unit from Pennsylvania.
[00:47:50] Iron soldiers and led by a guy at the time was named Colonel Gronsky.
[00:47:56] He's now a general, but those guys were school teachers.
[00:48:00] They were, I mean, because they were a service.
[00:48:02] So there was guys, they were, school teachers, there was guys there.
[00:48:04] Well, plumbers, there was guys there that cable and stollers,
[00:48:06] there were guys there that were mechanics, there was guys there that were lawyers.
[00:48:09] They're just every job.
[00:48:11] Yeah. And yet these guys were there fighting and getting after it,
[00:48:15] by the way, it's a battle hardened.
[00:48:18] Yeah. And really, they were, they were so impressive.
[00:48:21] We were so humbled by these guys.
[00:48:23] These reserves, they were badass.
[00:48:25] Yeah.
[00:48:25] Nothing, but again, nothing but respect and, and admiration for them on the battlefield.
[00:48:31] Yeah, I'm seeing that exactly where, if, let's say you didn't know their job outside of the,
[00:48:36] you know, the battle.
[00:48:37] And you see them, you're like, tank, these guys are straight up.
[00:48:39] This is their thing. This is what they're, their primary career is, you know?
[00:48:44] Yeah.
[00:48:45] That's what it seems like.
[00:48:46] And I'll tell you, I mean, I just was out in Mississippi.
[00:48:50] And I was with a bunch of guys that were a reserve, some Mississippi.
[00:48:54] And one of the guys I was talking to, I mean, multiple guys that I was talking to,
[00:48:58] they had multiple deployments to Iraq.
[00:49:00] And, and these are 12 month deployment, 14 month deployments.
[00:49:04] These guys were awesome.
[00:49:06] Awesome guys. Awesome professionals to who had taken the flight to the enemy.
[00:49:10] So it's amazing that, that America has these, these reserves that live their lives.
[00:49:16] And then, oh, by the way, you're going to go on deployment to Iraq for 14 months right now
[00:49:21] and get after it. And then you're going to come back and go into your normal job.
[00:49:24] Yeah, follow me back in.
[00:49:25] Yeah, and go and just be straight up effective.
[00:49:27] Yeah.
[00:49:28] Not like they're like, timid, you know?
[00:49:31] Cause I'm, hey, I'm just here for 14 months.
[00:49:34] That home, I'm, you know, I work at office with it. They're like, nope.
[00:49:37] Watch me work.
[00:49:38] Watch me get it, watch me get it on.
[00:49:41] So, we get to a point now.
[00:49:46] You know, that street flight continues.
[00:49:49] They take down, they clear that pocket.
[00:49:51] There's more combat description.
[00:49:54] But now they're getting ready to push out of Normandy Beach outlay.
[00:49:59] They've, so they've taken the beach. They've secured it. They've taken some hedgeros.
[00:50:02] They've got it locked in. It's been, it's been, you know, some time.
[00:50:05] But now they're getting ready to start making the push, making the push out of there.
[00:50:09] And so that's what this is. This is going to be a massive, massive attack.
[00:50:15] And they're getting ready to get a brief.
[00:50:17] And here we go back to the book.
[00:50:19] The regimental Colonel stood in the center of the officers and went over the orders in detail.
[00:50:23] The Italian commanders took down notes in their little books.
[00:50:27] Then General Bartner arrived.
[00:50:30] The Colonel called attention.
[00:50:32] And everybody stood rigid until the general gave them carry on.
[00:50:36] And it listed man ran to the mess truck and got a folding stool for the general to sit on.
[00:50:41] He sat listening intently while the Colonel wound up his instructions.
[00:50:46] The general stepped into the center of the circle.
[00:50:50] He stood at a slouch on one foot with the other leg far out like a brace.
[00:50:58] He looked all around him as he talked. He didn't talk long.
[00:51:03] He said, this is one of the finest regiments in the American Army.
[00:51:08] It was the last regiment out of France in the last war.
[00:51:11] It was the first regiment in defence in this war.
[00:51:15] It is spearheaded every one of the divisions attacks in Normandy.
[00:51:19] It will spearhead this one.
[00:51:22] For many years, this was my regiment.
[00:51:26] And I feel very close to you and very proud.
[00:51:31] The general's line face was a study in emotion.
[00:51:35] Sincerely and deep sentiment weren't every contour and they shown from his eyes.
[00:51:42] General Bartner was a man of deep affections.
[00:51:46] The tragedy of war, both personal and in personal hurt him.
[00:51:53] At the end, his voice almost broke.
[00:51:57] And I for one had a lump in my throat.
[00:52:01] He ended.
[00:52:03] That's all.
[00:52:05] God bless you and good luck.
[00:52:12] With that they begin this massive operation.
[00:52:19] The first planes of the mass onslaught came over a little before 10 a.m.
[00:52:24] They were the fighters and dive bombers.
[00:52:27] The main road running cross-wise in front of us was their bomb line.
[00:52:32] They were to bomb only on the far side of that road.
[00:52:37] Our infantry had been pulled back a few hundred yards from the near side of the road.
[00:52:42] Everyone in the area had been given the strictest orders to be in foxholes for high-level bombers can.
[00:52:49] And do quite exclusively make mistakes.
[00:52:53] So did you understand that right there?
[00:52:55] So there's a very clear road.
[00:52:58] And they say, listen, the bombers are going to be bombing the other side of that road.
[00:53:03] But we're going to back further away from the road just in case something goes wrong.
[00:53:08] Just in case bombs get dropped early.
[00:53:16] Obviously this indicates I'm pointing that out for a reason because this is gets horrible.
[00:53:22] Our front lines were marked by long strips of colored cloth laid on the ground.
[00:53:29] With colored smoke to guide our airmen during the mass bombers bombing.
[00:53:33] Dive bombers hit it just right.
[00:53:35] We stood and watched them barrelled nearly straight down out of the sky.
[00:53:40] They were bombing about a half a mile ahead of where we stood.
[00:53:45] They came in groups diving in every direction.
[00:53:48] Perfectly timed one after another.
[00:53:51] Everywhere we looked, separate groups of planes were on their way down or on their way back up or slanting.
[00:53:58] And then we were planting over for a dive or circling, circling, circling over our heads and waiting for their turn.
[00:54:06] So I want you to picture what this is like.
[00:54:09] Picture what this is like.
[00:54:11] And you don't picture that you're watching it in a movie because that's it.
[00:54:14] I understand that it's easy to picture it.
[00:54:16] Okay.
[00:54:17] I want you to put your mind in this situation.
[00:54:20] Can you imagine what that looks like?
[00:54:23] These, the sky is basically filling with planes and they're making these incredibly aggressive attacks.
[00:54:33] And this piece, which I'm about to read a big chunk.
[00:54:37] This is one of the most magnificent descriptions of war I have read.
[00:54:48] Here we go.
[00:54:50] The air was full of sharp and distinct sounds of cracking bombs and the heavy rips of the planes,
[00:54:56] machine guns and the splintering screams of diving wings.
[00:55:01] It was all fast and furious yet distinct.
[00:55:06] And then a new sound gradually droomed into our ears.
[00:55:13] A deep sound and all encompassing with no notes in it.
[00:55:17] Just a gigantic faraway surge of doom like sound.
[00:55:22] It was the heavies.
[00:55:25] And so now we're talking about the heavy bombers that are going to bring the thunder and there's so many of them
[00:55:32] and they're so loud it just drones out every other sound until just this massive faraway surge of a doom like sound.
[00:55:42] It was the heavies. They came from directly behind us.
[00:55:47] At first they were the mirris dots in the sky.
[00:55:51] We could see the clots of them against the far heavens.
[00:55:56] Too tiny to count individually they came on with a terrible slowness.
[00:56:01] They came in flights of 12, three flights to a group and in groups stretched out across the sky.
[00:56:09] They came in families of about 70 planes each.
[00:56:14] Maybe those gigantic waves were two miles apart.
[00:56:17] Maybe they were 10 miles. I don't know.
[00:56:21] But I do know they came in constant procession and I thought it would never end.
[00:56:28] What the Germans must have thought is beyond comprehension.
[00:56:34] The flight across the sky was slow and studied.
[00:56:39] I've never known a storm or a machine or any resolve of men that had about at the aura of such a ghastly relentnesses.
[00:56:50] I had the feeling that even had God appeared besiegingly before them in the sky with palms out stretched to persuade them back.
[00:57:01] They would not have had the power within them to turn from their irresistible course.
[00:57:10] This is just, that's such an incredible description of this impending doom.
[00:57:20] I stood with a little group of men ranging from kernels to privates back to the stone farmhouse.
[00:57:29] Slit trenches were all around the edges of the farm yard and a dugout with a tin roof was nearby.
[00:57:36] But we were so fascinated by the spectacle overhead that it never occurred to us that we might need the foxholes.
[00:57:44] The first huge flight passed directly overhead and others followed.
[00:57:50] We spread our feet and leaned far back trying to look straight up until our steel helmets fell off.
[00:57:57] We'd cop our fingers around our eyes like field glasses for a clear review.
[00:58:04] And then the bombs came.
[00:58:07] They began like the crackle of popcorn and almost instantly swelled into a monstrous fury of noise that seemed surely to destroy all the world ahead of us.
[00:58:19] From then on, from an hour and a half that had in it the agonies of centuries the bombs came down.
[00:58:28] A wall of smoke and dust erected by them grew high in the sky.
[00:58:33] It filtered along the ground back through our orchards.
[00:58:38] It sifted around us and into our noses.
[00:58:42] The bright day grew slowly dark from it.
[00:58:46] By now everything was an indescribable culture of sounds.
[00:58:50] Individual noises did not exist.
[00:58:53] The thundering of the motors in the sky and the roar of bombs ahead filled all the space from noise on the earth.
[00:59:01] Our own heavy artillery was crashing all around us.
[00:59:05] Yet we could hardly hear it.
[00:59:07] The Germans began to shoot heavy high-ackack.
[00:59:11] Great puffs of of it by the score speckled the sky until it was hard to distinguish smoke puffs from planes.
[00:59:19] And then someone shouted that one of the planes was smoking.
[00:59:22] Yes, we could all see it.
[00:59:24] A faint line of black smoke stretched straight from a mile behind one of them.
[00:59:28] And as we watched there were gigantic sweep of flame over the plane.
[00:59:32] From nose to tail it disappeared in flame and it slanted slowly down and banked around the sky.
[00:59:39] And great wide curves this way and that as rhythmically and graceously gracefully as in a slow motion waltz.
[00:59:46] Then suddenly it seemed to change its mind and swept upward steeper and steeper and ever slower until finally it seemed poised motionless on its own black pillar of smoke.
[00:59:57] And then just as slowly as it had turned over and dived for the earth.
[01:00:02] A golden spearhead on the straight black shaft of its own creation.
[01:00:07] And disappeared behind the tree tops.
[01:00:10] But before it was down there were more cries of there's another one smoking and there's a third one now.
[01:00:16] Shoots came out of some of the planes.
[01:00:19] Out of some came no shoots at all.
[01:00:23] One of the white silk caught on the tail of a plane.
[01:00:28] Men with binoculars could see him fighting to get loose until flames swept over him and then a tiny black dot fell through space.
[01:00:36] All alone.
[01:00:41] And all that time.
[01:00:43] The great flat ceiling of the sky was roofed by other planes that didn't go down.
[01:00:48] Plowing their way forward as if there were no turmoil in the world.
[01:00:52] Nothing deviated them by the slightest.
[01:00:55] They stalked on slowly and with a dreadful paw of sound as though they were seeing only something at a great distance and nothing existed between.
[01:01:05] God how we admired those men up there and sickened for the ones who fell.
[01:01:16] Incredible.
[01:01:21] It is possible to become so enthralled by some of the spectacles of war that man is momentarily captivated away from his own danger.
[01:01:28] That's what happened to our little groups of group of soldiers as we stood watching them mighty bombing.
[01:01:34] But that benign state didn't last long.
[01:01:38] As we watched their crept into our consciousness, a realization that the windrows of exploding bombs were easing back towards us.
[01:01:48] Flight by flight instead of gradually forward as the plan had called for.
[01:01:55] Then we were horrified by the suspicion that those machines high in the sky and completely detached from us were aiming their bombs at the smoke line on the ground.
[01:02:06] And a gentle breeze was drifting the smoke line back over us.
[01:02:13] In indescribable kind of panic came over us.
[01:02:16] We stood tensed in muscle and frozen and intellect watching each flight approaching Passover feeling trapped and completely helpless.
[01:02:24] And then all of an instant the universe became filled with gigantic rattling of as it of huge right seeds in a mammoth dry gourd.
[01:02:36] I doubt that any of us had ever heard that sound before, but instinct told us what it was.
[01:02:43] It was bombs by the hundred hurtling down through the air above us.
[01:02:49] Many times I'd heard bombs whistle or swish or rustle, but never before had I heard bombs rattle.
[01:02:57] I still don't know what the explanation of it, but it was an awful sound.
[01:03:03] We dived.
[01:03:04] Some got into a dugout.
[01:03:06] Others made fox holes and ditches and some got behind a garden wall, although which side would be behind was anybody's guess.
[01:03:14] I was too late for the dugout. The nearest place was a wagon shed which formed on one end of the stone house.
[01:03:21] The rattle was right down upon us.
[01:03:24] I remember hitting the ground flat all spread out like the cartoons of people flattened by steam rollers.
[01:03:29] And then squirming like an eel to get under one of the heavy wagon wagons in the shed.
[01:03:35] An officer whom I didn't know was riggling beside me.
[01:03:39] We stopped at the same time simultaneously feeling it was hopeless to move further.
[01:03:44] The bombs were already crashing around us.
[01:03:46] We lay with our head slightly up like two snakes staring at each other.
[01:03:50] I know it was in both our minds and in our eyes asking each other what to do.
[01:03:58] Neither of us knew.
[01:04:00] We said nothing.
[01:04:02] We just lay, sprawled, gaping at each other in a few tile appeal.
[01:04:08] Our faces about a foot apart until it was over.
[01:04:13] There is no description of the sound and fury of those bombs except to say it was chaos and a waiting for darkness.
[01:04:22] The feeling of the blast was sensational.
[01:04:25] The air struck us and hundreds of continuing flutters are ears drummed and rang.
[01:04:30] We could feel quick little waves of concussion on our chest and inner eyes.
[01:04:35] That last the sound, the sound died down and we looked at each other in disbelief.
[01:04:42] Gradually we left the foxholes and sprawling places and came out to see what the sky had in store for us.
[01:04:50] As far as we could see other waves were approaching from behind.
[01:04:54] When a wave would pass a little to the side of us, we were grateful for most of them food directly overhead.
[01:05:02] Time and time again the rattle came down over us.
[01:05:05] Bom struck in the orchard to our left.
[01:05:07] They struck into the orchards ahead of us.
[01:05:09] They struck as far as a mile behind us.
[01:05:13] Everything about us was shaken.
[01:05:15] But our group came through unheard.
[01:05:19] I can't record what any of us actually felt or thought during those horrible climaxes.
[01:05:28] I believe a person's feelings at such time are kaleidoscopic and indefensible.
[01:05:35] He just waits.
[01:05:37] That's all.
[01:05:38] With an inhuman tenseness of muscle and nerves.
[01:05:43] An hour or so later I began to get sore all over and by mid afternoon my back and shoulders ached as though I'd been beaten with a club.
[01:05:51] It was simply the result of muscles tensing themselves too tight for too long against anticipated shock.
[01:06:00] When we came out of our sprawling and stood up again to watch we knew that the error had been caught and checked.
[01:06:09] The bombs were falling again where they were intended a mile or so ahead.
[01:06:14] Even at a mile away a thousand bombs hitting within a few seconds can shake the earth and shatter the air.
[01:06:21] There was still a dread in our hearts, but it gradually eased as the tumult and destruction moved slightly forward.
[01:06:31] It seems incredible to me that any German could have come out of that bombardment with insanity.
[01:06:38] When it was over, even I was grateful in a chasened way that I had never experienced before for just being alive.
[01:06:48] I fought and attack by our troops was impossible then.
[01:06:53] Furt is an unnerving thing to be bombed by your own planes.
[01:06:57] During the bad part a colonel had known a long time was walking up and down behind the farmhouse, snapping his fingers and saying over and over again to himself.
[01:07:06] Damn it, God damn it as he passed me once he stopped and stared and said God damn it.
[01:07:12] And I said, there can't be any attack now, can there? And he said no.
[01:07:18] And began walking against snapping his fingers and tossing his arms as though he were flowing rocks at the ground.
[01:07:25] The leading company of our battalion was to spearhead the attack 40 minutes after the heavy bombing ceased.
[01:07:32] The company had been hit directly by our bombs. Their casualties, including casualties in shock were heavy.
[01:07:40] Men went to pieces and had to be sent back. The company was shattered and shaken.
[01:07:47] Yet company be attacked and on time to the minute they attacked and within the hour sent back word that they advanced 800 yards through German territory and were still going.
[01:08:00] Around our farm yard, men with stars on their shoulders almost wept when the word came over the portable radio.
[01:08:07] The American soldier can be majestic when he needs to be.
[01:08:12] I'm sure that back in England that night, other men bomber crews wept.
[01:08:20] And maybe they did really in the awful knowledge that they had killed our own American troops.
[01:08:27] But the chaos and bitterness there in the orchards and between the hedgerodes that afternoon soon passed.
[01:08:35] After the bitterness came, the sober remembrance that the Air Force was the strong right arm in front of us, not only at the beginning, but ceaselessly and everlasting the every moment of the faintest day like the Air Force was up there banging away ahead of us.
[01:08:53] Anybody bait mistakes, the enemy made them just the same as we did.
[01:08:58] The smoke and confusion of battle be willed to us on the ground as well in the air.
[01:09:04] And in this case, the percentage of error was really very small compared to the colossal storm of bombs that fell upon the enemy.
[01:09:13] The Air Force was wonderful throughout the invasion and the man on the ground appreciated it.
[01:09:21] So obviously we talk about blue on blue a lot here.
[01:09:26] I think that's about as an extreme example as I've ever heard of.
[01:09:31] And the blue on blue thing is such a nightmare because it's your own people.
[01:09:41] It's your own people and it's a lack of communication and it's the fog of war.
[01:09:48] And you can't do anything. You can't shoot back.
[01:09:53] All you can do is sit there and wait.
[01:09:56] And it's amazing one of those companies that was scheduled to attack is so shaken up that they can't go forward.
[01:10:04] But then the other companies just go we got this step aside.
[01:10:11] Now the attack starts pushing forward and we get a little description of one of the commanders.
[01:10:19] The commander of the regiment was one of my favorites.
[01:10:22] He was a regular army colonel and he was overseas in the last war too.
[01:10:26] His division commander said the only trouble with him was that he got too bold.
[01:10:30] And if you weren't careful, he was liable to get clip to some fine day.
[01:10:36] When tired and dirty he could have played a movie gangster, but either way his eyes always twinkled.
[01:10:43] He had a faculty for direct thought that was outstanding.
[01:10:47] The colonel went from one battalion to another during the battle, during battle, from early light until darkness.
[01:10:54] He wore a new, new type field jacket that fitted him like a sack and he carried a long stick that Teddy Roosevelt had given to him.
[01:11:02] He kept constantly prodding his commanders to push hard not to let up and keep driving and driving.
[01:11:08] He was impatient with his commanders who lost the main point of the war by getting involved in the details.
[01:11:14] The main point of course being to kill Germans.
[01:11:18] His philosophy of war was expressed in the simple formula of shoot the son of bitches.
[01:11:25] Once I was at a battalion command post when we got word that 60 Germans were coming down the road in the counter attack, everybody got excited.
[01:11:33] They called the colonel on a field fold, gave him on the field phone, gave him details and asked him what to do.
[01:11:39] He had the solution to nut sell in a nut shell.
[01:11:42] He said shoot the sons of bitches and hung up.
[01:11:47] Got to keep things simple.
[01:11:50] Then you got to keep your your tasks very focused.
[01:11:56] You know what's all this complication?
[01:11:59] We're here to kill Germans, so kill them sons of bitches.
[01:12:06] Now we get to a younger soldier that he goes through a description of.
[01:12:13] Clayton's weirdest disguiding Clayton's weirdest experience.
[01:12:16] We funny if it weren't so filled with pathos.
[01:12:19] He was returning with a patrol one moonlit night when the enemy opened up on them.
[01:12:24] Tommy leaped right through a hedge and spotting a foxhole plunged into it.
[01:12:29] To his amazement and fright there was a German in that foxhole sitting pretty holding a machine pistol in his hands.
[01:12:36] Clayton shot him three times in the chest before you could say, scat.
[01:12:41] The German hardly moved.
[01:12:44] And then Tommy realized the man had been killed earlier.
[01:12:49] He had been shooting a corpse.
[01:12:51] All his experiences seem to have had no effect on his mild on this mild soldier from Indiana,
[01:12:58] except perhaps to make him even quieter than before.
[01:13:02] The worst experience of all is just the accumulated blur and the hurting vagueness of being too long in the lines.
[01:13:11] The everlasting alertness, the noise and fear, the cell by cell exhaustion.
[01:13:18] The thinning of surrounding ranks as day follows nameless day.
[01:13:24] And the constant marching to eternity of one's own small quota of chances for survival.
[01:13:32] Those are the things that hurt and destroy.
[01:13:36] And soldiers like Tommy Clayton went back to them because they were good soldiers and they had a duty they could not define.
[01:13:51] Mental stress.
[01:13:57] Now they continue to push through, they take Paris and it's really incredible to hear what that was like.
[01:14:07] Then you should definitely buy this book and read it.
[01:14:13] And here's how we close this it out.
[01:14:18] The final chapter is being written in the latter part of August 1944.
[01:14:23] It is being written under an apple tree in a lovely green orchard on the interior of France.
[01:14:29] It could well be that the European war will be over and done by the time you read this book or it might not.
[01:14:36] But the end is inevitable and it cannot be put off for long.
[01:14:41] The German is beaten and he knows it.
[01:14:45] It will seem odd when at some given hour the shooting stops and everything suddenly changes again.
[01:14:55] It will be odd to drive down an unknown road without that little knot of fear in your stomach.
[01:15:02] Odd not to listen with animal like alertness for the meaning of every distant sound.
[01:15:10] Odd not to have your spirit.
[01:15:13] Odd to have your spirit released from the perpetual weight that is compounded of fear and death and dirt and noise and anguish.
[01:15:28] The end of war will be a gigantic relief but it cannot be a matter of hilarity for most of us.
[01:15:36] Somehow it would seem sac religious to sing and dance when the great day comes.
[01:15:43] There are so many who can never sing and dance again.
[01:15:49] Many, many thousands of Americans have come to join the ones who have already slept in France for a quarter of a century.
[01:16:01] For some of us the war has already gone on too long.
[01:16:06] Our feelings have been wrong and drained.
[01:16:09] They cringe from the effort of coming alive again.
[01:16:13] Even the approach of the end seems to have brought little inner elation.
[01:16:20] It is only brought a tired sense of relief.
[01:16:26] I do not pretend that my own feeling is the spirit of our armies.
[01:16:30] If it were we probably would not have the power to win.
[01:16:35] Most men are stronger.
[01:16:38] Our soldiers still can hate or glorify or be glad with true emotion.
[01:16:45] For them death has a pain and victory a sweet scent.
[01:16:52] But for me war has become a fiat.
[01:16:57] Black depression without highlights a revulsion of the mind and an exhaustion of the spirit.
[01:17:05] The war in France has been especially vicious because it was one of the enemies' last stands.
[01:17:13] We have won because of many things.
[01:17:16] We have won partly because the enemy was weakened from our other battles.
[01:17:21] The war in France is our grand finale but the victory here is the result of all other victories that went before.
[01:17:28] It is a result of Russia and the Western Desert and the bombings and the blocking of the sea.
[01:17:34] It is a result of Tunisia and Sicily and Italy.
[01:17:38] We must never forget or belittle those campaigns.
[01:17:42] We have won because we have had magnificent top leadership at home and in our allies and with ourselves overseas.
[01:17:50] Surely America made its two perfect choices in generalized and how we are in general Bradley.
[01:17:56] They are great men to me doubly great because they are direct and kind.
[01:18:03] We won because we are audacious.
[01:18:08] One could not help but be moved by the colossus of our invasion.
[01:18:13] It was a bold and mighty thing.
[01:18:16] One of the epics of all history.
[01:18:19] In the emergency of war our nation's powers are unbelievable.
[01:18:24] The strength we have spread around the world is appalling even to those who make up the individual cells of that strength.
[01:18:32] I am sure that in the past two years I have heard soldiers say a thousand times if only we could have created all this energy for something good.
[01:18:42] But we rise above our normal powers only in times of destruction.
[01:18:47] We have won this war because our men are brave and because of many other things because of Russia and England and the passage of time and the gifts of nature's materials.
[01:19:01] We did not win it because destiny created us better than all other peoples.
[01:19:07] I hope that in victory we are more grateful than we are proud.
[01:19:13] I hope we can rejoice in victory but humbly.
[01:19:20] The dead men would not want us to gloat.
[01:19:26] The end of one war is a great feather broken from around our lives.
[01:19:33] But there is still another to be broken.
[01:19:35] The Pacific War may yet belong in bloody.
[01:19:40] Nobody can foresee but it will be disastrous to approach it with easy hopes.
[01:19:46] Our next few months at home will be torn between the new spiritual freedom of half peace and the old grinding blur of half war.
[01:19:56] It will be a confusing period for us.
[01:20:00] Thousands of men will be returning to you soon.
[01:20:05] They have been gone a long time and they have seen and done things and felt things you cannot know.
[01:20:15] They will be changed.
[01:20:17] They will have to learn how to adjust themselves to peace.
[01:20:21] Last night we had a violent electrical storm around our countryside.
[01:20:25] The storm was half over before we realized that the flashes and the crashes around us were not artillery.
[01:20:32] The plain old fashioned thunder enlightening.
[01:20:36] It will be odd to hear only thunder again.
[01:20:40] You must remember that such little thing says that are in our souls and will take time.
[01:20:49] And all of us together will have to learn how to reassemble our broken world into a pattern so firm and so fair that another great war cannot soon be possible.
[01:20:59] To tell the simple truth, most of us over in France don't pretend to know the right answer.
[01:21:06] Sumersion war does not necessarily qualify a man to be the master of peace.
[01:21:13] All we can do is fumble and try once more try out of the memory of our anguish.
[01:21:21] And be as tolerant with each other as we can.
[01:21:33] In this book was dedicated by Ernie Pile,
[01:21:38] I'm going to read the dedication now.
[01:21:42] In solemn salute to those thousands of our comrades,
[01:21:46] it's great brave men that they were for whom there will be no homecoming ever.
[01:22:07] And Ernie Pile did get to experience homecoming.
[01:22:18] Unfortunately, it was not joyous and it was not long.
[01:22:26] He battled with depression and emotional turmoil over his experiences in war.
[01:22:39] And you can hear him talking about those and also his wife who had some kind of mental issues.
[01:22:48] He'd actually been hospitalized and so he was distressed and depressed about that.
[01:22:57] And on top of that, the war was not over for him.
[01:23:04] And he mentioned there in the end that there's only half peace because there were still a war in the Pacific.
[01:23:12] He knew that. And in personal letters and in conversations that he had with his friends,
[01:23:22] he explained a personal foreboding,
[01:23:27] a sense that he would not live through the war.
[01:23:33] When he was asked by the Department of the Navy to join the Battle against Imperial Japan and the Pacific,
[01:23:45] he reluctantly may be fearfully but doodifully agreed to go.
[01:23:57] And it was there. In the Pacific, on the tiny island called E. Sheema just off the coast of Okinawa,
[01:24:10] that Ernie Pile was shot and killed by a single sniper bullet.
[01:24:20] And members of the 77th Infantry Division who he didn't know with for the operation quickly marked where he was killed with a sign that read at this spot.
[01:24:39] The 77th Infantry Division lost a body, Ernie Pile, on 18 April 1945.
[01:24:59] So Mr. Pile, thank you for your service and your sacrifice and to the journalists that are out there now in this day,
[01:25:22] especially the war journalists who take risks to record and report history.
[01:25:32] Thank you for what you do.
[01:25:39] Again, the book is called Brave Men by Ernie Pile, and it will give you some real insight into the nature of war.
[01:26:01] Echo, the world is a crazy place. And it's amazing that you can live the life that we live.
[01:26:17] And some people go through life without ever even just brushing against this madness.
[01:26:32] And I'll say this for the thousandth time. I believe that it is important to delve into these things so that you learn not just about leadership, but about life.
[01:26:56] And how precious and glorious life is.
[01:27:13] And life has ups and downs. It has good and bad. It has darkness and light. And everybody's life makes those transitions.
[01:27:35] And having darkness in the world or in your life does not exclude the light.
[01:27:48] In fact, I think it makes that light just a little bit brighter.
[01:27:55] And so when we, we don't have to stay here in the darkness, we can go. We've paid our respects, and we will continue to pay our respects as we go forward.
[01:28:14] And with that, I guess it's a good time to answer some questions from the inner webs.
[01:28:30] And actually, before we get into questions from the inner webs.
[01:28:35] And I'm going to say this for the inner webs, and I'm going to say this for the inner webs.
[01:28:50] Now, echo is going to say some stuff about the inner webs. And about supporting the podcast. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to like, I'm going to hit a switch.
[01:29:05] I'll just get a little adjustment, a little mindset change, get into the zone for answering some questions. So there's there's actually a dual purpose for echoes discussion of how to support the podcast. Yes,
[01:29:22] I suppose you have to support the podcast, which is much appreciated. Also, I can decompress for a minute from being bombed by my own planes from being stressed from being back in the war zone World War Two style.
[01:29:42] I mean, you know, writers in general are just really good at explaining stuff. Yeah, I mean, yeah, pretty much all right. And you can see the difference in the way they man this one in particular really to me anyway, really, really delivered with the descriptions and stuff. And it was like, yeah, there's so many one liners in there.
[01:30:08] And when I was reading it, I have certain ways of I've certain ways of notating kind of what I'm going to read and that, you know, some of the stuff's just circled and somewhat. This now.
[01:30:20] But but occasionally, if something to me, if it hits me, I put one single red line underneath each individual word that I'm going to read.
[01:30:35] And I normally, I might do that like once or twice a book, but there's a couple paragraphs where I had done it multiple times because those lines are just powerful.
[01:30:47] Like the the one that I just opened the book back up to re-roll.
[01:30:51] I can't put it down. But you know, when he's like, um, and then a new sound gradually drawn into our ears, a sound deep and all encompassing with no notes in it, just a gigantic far away surge of doom like sound.
[01:31:06] And this is the part that I underlined.
[01:31:08] It was the heavies.
[01:31:11] And you know, this is the power of that, just knowing like these are the heavy bombers, which you know, it's no big deal to us now because we have giant machines, but a heavy bomber back then was like a.
[01:31:25] It was just this ultimate modern machine that had been created that nothing could destroy what these things, nothing was close to it.
[01:31:33] And not only he created one of these insane power machines, we created hundreds and hundreds and actually we created thousands of them.
[01:31:44] And they were all amassed and coming to destroy this little section.
[01:31:50] It was the heavies.
[01:31:52] God.
[01:31:54] Yeah. So yeah, it's a book that definitely draws you in and his writing that he, the fact that he writes a very straight forward, very, very plain and direct English is I think one of the things that makes it so powerful.
[01:32:10] I love how he compared where he compares like, and a lot of writers do this and when you can do it good, it's really powerful.
[01:32:17] Like for example, the he talked about the the one plane that I think he got hit or was crashing and compared to big he said it was a spear light lit spear with the smoke trail.
[01:32:28] Yeah, you can see exactly what that looks like, you know, just pull and it's weird to because a lot you can go watch this. I mean they have film footage of this stuff.
[01:32:36] But that that takes you there visually, but I think kind of reading and listening does it takes you there mentally. It takes you there in your head which is which is more which is more powerful than and this happens to me all the time when I'm when I'm reading and I'm getting better when we started this podcast.
[01:32:57] I could tell like, oh, that's powerful. Like, oh, yeah, that's going to be that's a really powerful statement. And then sometimes I would read it. It would be 12 more times more powerful where I'd be like, oh my god, it'd be just power because when you read it aloud and now I'm a little bit more aware that hey, you're going to have to read this.
[01:33:16] Yeah, bro, you better get you better get your head in the game because it's going to be powerful. So that's something I've become more aware of as we've done this more more and as I've read all these books and gone through them and
[01:33:32] just read it online, the stuff and thought about the way it's going to sound and thought about what it means to say it was the heaviest awesome. So while I asked to decompress over here, go.
[01:33:50] I'll speak in the inner web and awesome. By the way, um, talk about supplements and we do a lot of the time at this time. So on it, right, best supplements. We all know that.
[01:34:03] Even though we already know that that is a big deal because of the nature of just supplement companies in general. So rest assured on it, best one that's it.
[01:34:13] And it supplement you can get 10% off because of the juggle link, which is on it dot com slash juggle 10% off boom supplement your wallet a little bit supplement your your body and
[01:34:27] your mind when you mind off a breading, off a brain for sure, but notably K I'm going to admit some I didn't take krill oil when to recently so mirror okay and in the in the spirit of extreme ownership apparently I was not clear enough to you.
[01:34:48] I was just wondering I wanted to anyway all in the I didn't take that off a brain take juggle bring me krill oil now.
[01:35:04] Yeah, you know, I think I said that a few times so now that you're on it okay so I take the krill oil and I'm not I'm not this guy who's like has all these nagging joint pains when I go workout because really that's really when I think okay do I've joint pain not I work out good hard a role to do so I don't have joint pain but here's the thing I do have joint pain.
[01:35:26] I want to wake up in the morning and the thing is like I said when you're like when I think of when someone says you give joint pain I'm thinking when I work out that's it.
[01:35:36] I don't think like you know other times less there they're asking specifically so like my daughter she's three and half now she's kind of like a bigger three and half to and she comes runs up wakes me up a lot of times and is like hey carry me downstairs so when I sit up she jumps on my back.
[01:35:51] She was 40 pounds. I'm not saying I'm you know the power lifter and nothing but 40 pounds is not okay 40 pounds I don't think he even has anywhere.
[01:36:03] Yeah, no 40 my work is meaningless. Yeah.
[01:36:07] She's 40 pounds she jumps on the back and I'm like oh I got a focus like I got a focus on like my yeah just because of the stiffness not necessarily pain but just like stiff you know how like if you just didn't warm up at all you can just jump it's like that feeling.
[01:36:20] And then recently my ankle got jacked up.
[01:36:22] And I have like I think this torn lumen so you gotta watch out for you.
[01:36:26] Yeah, you know, but I it had already been jacked by the way. So it got foot locked and then it like inflamed it.
[01:36:32] So now I got to walk downstairs with this girl on my back with my stiffness and I'm like oh hey no problem I do it almost every day no problem but let's face those are all kinds of
[01:36:46] challenge yeah, but I take the krill oil not the first day not even the second day but it was maybe a few days later she jumps on my back
[01:36:54] I'm still working out hard by the way so it's not like oh you're good. She jumps on my back and I'm like dang I feel solid I can go like when I stand up on my boom popping up
[01:37:03] No disably
[01:37:06] Reduced still there my ankle still there. I'm right now still but pro this was like I would say maybe four five days
[01:37:13] And this is when I know I was like dang this is this is good krill oil is real. Yeah, and there's been a bunch of bunch of people on Twitter have come back and said hey I started taking krill oil and then you know a week later like man my shoulders good to go you know it really works so it does really work.
[01:37:30] It really does. Yeah, and that like I said that mean and here my wife's dad was like telling her long this is the years ago.
[01:37:38] No krill oil no one not fish show is good krill oils and I'm like really look up krill. It's a trim like oh sweet
[01:37:44] It's joint pain it's all this stuff or whatever and like I said even back then right now same thing when I work I don't have joint pain
[01:37:50] Maybe if I've a strain or something that's not joint pain
[01:37:53] You know so I'm like good for you. Not yourself out with a krill oil when I need it then I'm gonna come on maybe I'll ask you about some stuff. So you know I see it and it's cool good, but this is the first time
[01:38:06] Now you like I get I got you the krill us now you get that so when I run out, go ahead give me another krill oil. Okay. Yeah, that's clear. Yeah, let me know cool. Let me know.
[01:38:17] I'll sell you so back to the book. What a four year bars and this is what we I think where bars are made out of buffalo meat they are they are yes they are we never said that. Oh, well my boss.
[01:38:30] Is that even better? Yeah, because because you're eating buffalo which must have been the biggest property. Yeah, you stronger. Oh, yeah, but nonetheless to me that makes it even more awesome
[01:38:42] Not because I mean not for any specific reason other than maybe novelty, but it's still pretty dope in my opinion. So still tastes really good
[01:38:52] That's for me a replacement someone asked me on Twitter. Hey, do you you know what meal replacement or protein shakes or whatever would you recommend if any.
[01:39:00] I said, no, yeah, well, that's what I said to someone said the same thing to me. Well, you know, you're in your replacement. I said, why would you replace a stay.
[01:39:12] If you're gross or disgusting or horrible, maybe you'd want to replace them. Yeah, or you don't have to look I'm driving a truck. Yeah, I'm driving a I don't know. I plan or something for a long time something. I want you drive my airplane. I'll be respect.
[01:39:27] Okay, probably right. But but okay there you go. Where your borne. Yes, that's the answer right there. Oh, filler.
[01:39:40] They're not messing around and they're good. That's the thing. Like remember back in the day that the bars. Yeah, yeah, not even not back in the even right now. You want to those like, all right. I see where you're going. Whether you're trying to make it like a candy bar where you're trying to.
[01:39:54] It's not like that at all. This is good.
[01:39:58] Anyway, do worry, bro. So, uh, another way you can support the podcast in the event of you being in the mood to support the podcast is next time you chop and Amazon.com.
[01:40:11] Click through one of our links. It's like a passive way.
[01:40:15] Actively aggressively efficient way to support and super easy. Don't ask you anything. You click through you do your shopping.
[01:40:23] Boom. It's like we get a little referral thing.
[01:40:27] But I like about that is because I don't want to ask people like a lot of people that want to donate money. I don't want you to donate money to us.
[01:40:35] If you want to give us money, that's awesome. But I'd rather you buy a t-shirt.
[01:40:39] If you can afford it, but if let's say you can't afford anything because you're broke.
[01:40:44] That's okay. When you order something from Amazon. This is just free money that you give to us. So it's all the way.
[01:40:51] It's almost like a collective like, hey, we all shop at Amazon and this thing together. You know, kind of thing.
[01:40:59] And Amazon is always the way to spare the change.
[01:41:03] They can spare a little something for the Jockel podcast.
[01:41:05] You're actively making Amazon give us money. How's that for getting after it?
[01:41:10] But then, but they're, you know, so it's like this weird circle almost.
[01:41:14] They, you know, they buy from Amazon. We're like, hey, go to Amazon.
[01:41:18] And Amazon's like, hey, thanks for buying. Thanks for sending them. We're supporting Amazon.
[01:41:22] Whether it be books or whatever. Docta all this stuff.
[01:41:24] There's because we're making people want to buy stuff from Amazon. I books.
[01:41:28] You know, yeah.
[01:41:30] None of the last. Other things. People can be buying Jockel ID from Amazon too.
[01:41:34] We're just coming. So good.
[01:41:36] You know, I got this one.
[01:41:37] Brue.
[01:41:38] It's so good. They came out so good.
[01:41:40] I'm pumped.
[01:41:42] Yeah.
[01:41:43] Yeah. That's going to be solid there.
[01:41:45] That is solid currently. That's solid. Yeah. But yeah, the Amazon. Anyway, yeah, it's support that way.
[01:41:50] Like I always say, a big part of that or a big, not issue, but a thing in there is remembering to do it.
[01:41:58] If you want to do this, the remembering to do it. So do have what's called the trooper tool.
[01:42:03] All it is, you go. You download it.
[01:42:05] It's basically you click on it.
[01:42:06] Amazon trooper or trooper tool, Chrome extension.
[01:42:09] Click on it, accept it.
[01:42:11] It's on your thing. It automatically does it for you.
[01:42:14] From here on out.
[01:42:15] Break it up.
[01:42:16] It's like a little official thing to break it up.
[01:42:19] So solid. Um, and we were trying to update.
[01:42:24] I've been talking to them. We're trying to update it for Canada UK.
[01:42:29] So they can have the tool for them. So as well.
[01:42:31] That's cool.
[01:42:32] Because yeah.
[01:42:33] Yeah.
[01:42:34] So we work it on that one.
[01:42:35] But there. Yeah. That's good.
[01:42:37] Trooper tool. You don't have to remember anywhere. You remember it one time.
[01:42:40] That's all.
[01:42:41] Chop it Amazon still support aggressively.
[01:42:45] Officially.
[01:42:47] And of course support by subscribing to the podcast on iTunes.
[01:42:53] And YouTube channel.
[01:42:55] YouTube channel.
[01:42:56] Yeah. That's legit.
[01:42:58] And of course, the juggle store.
[01:43:01] Oh.
[01:43:02] I think we're, I'm not, I think I know that we're trying.
[01:43:06] We are trying our best to provide.
[01:43:10] Multi-dimensional items.
[01:43:14] Like even in a simple t-shirt, this multiple dimensions to it.
[01:43:18] You know, it's not just, hey, that's a cool thing.
[01:43:21] The saying is important and extends way beyond what you'd expect on the surface.
[01:43:27] That goes for all the shirts.
[01:43:29] So including the rash cards.
[01:43:31] Including the rash cards. Okay. So new stuff.
[01:43:34] New stuff rash cards. The rash cards are good.
[01:43:37] This far as the fit. Of course.
[01:43:40] And the men.
[01:43:41] They're good.
[01:43:42] And what's cool about.
[01:43:45] I mean, here's the reality.
[01:43:47] When you, when you put on a uniform.
[01:43:51] When you put on a uniform, you change your mentality a little bit.
[01:43:54] This is factually.
[01:43:56] Yeah.
[01:43:57] And so when people are like, oh man, I was wearing the discipline.
[01:44:01] It was t-discipline.
[01:44:02] It was clean.
[01:44:02] It was clean.
[01:44:03] I got my PR on clean and jerk.
[01:44:06] And I'm like, yeah.
[01:44:07] Yeah.
[01:44:08] You put on your uniform.
[01:44:10] And there's a mental state of mind that makes a little adjustment in the brain.
[01:44:15] You know, it's real funny about that.
[01:44:17] Exact notion.
[01:44:19] When we first got the first shirt to this little Nicholas Freedom.
[01:44:22] Put on the gray one.
[01:44:23] And I get, I know that.
[01:44:25] That thing. That's, it's a psychological thing.
[01:44:27] Yeah.
[01:44:28] It's real.
[01:44:29] Yeah.
[01:44:29] Which is, by the way, one of the most powerful things in your whole life psychological.
[01:44:33] Anyway.
[01:44:34] I put it on.
[01:44:35] I was like, yeah, I'm going to take a picture.
[01:44:37] You know, of me in the new shirt kind of thing.
[01:44:39] And I put it on and I was going to work out anyway.
[01:44:41] And man, I put it on.
[01:44:42] I was like, yeah, I felt that exact thing on the shirt that I made.
[01:44:46] You know, anyway.
[01:44:47] Yeah.
[01:44:48] So true.
[01:44:49] And the rash guard.
[01:44:50] I'm not going to go into the story.
[01:44:51] But put on the rash guard yesterday.
[01:44:53] You're working.
[01:44:54] You did see it worked out very well.
[01:44:56] I did very well.
[01:44:57] So there's some sort of a subliminal power.
[01:45:00] Yeah.
[01:45:01] That you can gain.
[01:45:02] Yes.
[01:45:03] And then when I was thinking rash.
[01:45:04] Is this false advertising?
[01:45:05] Hey, if you wear this rash guard, your digital improved 19%.
[01:45:10] No, it's not false at all.
[01:45:11] I'm not going to call it.
[01:45:13] Honestly, it's a different fall.
[01:45:14] Here's what the end.
[01:45:15] I went into the whole rash guard situation.
[01:45:17] Like, oh, yeah, we need rash guards because people were saying, hey, you need
[01:45:20] like this rash guards.
[01:45:21] And they were due to, there was a demand sick.
[01:45:23] But here's the thing.
[01:45:26] Like rash guards like the short sleeve.
[01:45:28] Oh, man, this is like, if you go like biking and stuff, that's really what it's for.
[01:45:32] It's like biking across the, anything where you, you're like,
[01:45:36] What is it for?
[01:45:37] It's certainly for surfing.
[01:45:38] That's really what rash guards are for.
[01:45:40] I mean, you did see now because there's just no.
[01:45:42] Well, we used to back in the day back in the day.
[01:45:45] We used to just wear, we would, if people were wearing rash guards, there was no such
[01:45:49] thing as the G.T. rash guard.
[01:45:50] Right?
[01:45:51] There was only actual rash guards.
[01:45:53] You know, it is for body boarding.
[01:45:55] It's what it is because it's got a rash and surfing too.
[01:45:58] Yeah.
[01:45:59] It means of water sports.
[01:46:02] Yeah.
[01:46:03] And my little brother, he's a dive reti, spear fishing, because dive grab, he's dope too.
[01:46:08] He got this.
[01:46:09] Anyway, he's on quiet.
[01:46:11] Same thing.
[01:46:12] You go diving, water foot.
[01:46:14] It's like that's what this is for.
[01:46:16] Including, but not limited to jujitsu.
[01:46:18] Yeah.
[01:46:19] Jujitsu is a complete bonus on the tail end of that.
[01:46:21] But if you're clever, now these are specifically designed for jujitsu.
[01:46:26] There's, there's just multi-person.
[01:46:28] Yeah.
[01:46:29] It might multi-purpose.
[01:46:30] Yep.
[01:46:31] And straight up, if you wear it for jujitsu, you're going to do better.
[01:46:34] Makein' that clean.
[01:46:36] Straight up.
[01:46:37] A lot of it.
[01:46:38] I love it.
[01:46:39] I've rolled with you while you're wearing it.
[01:46:42] Yeah.
[01:46:43] Good luck.
[01:46:44] Good luck with that one.
[01:46:46] We will go to Jamie Meab.
[01:46:48] Just recording.
[01:46:49] Also new.
[01:46:51] That's out.
[01:46:52] His patches for jujitsu, for anything.
[01:46:55] They're just patches.
[01:46:56] You can sew on their iron on, but you sew on so much.
[01:46:59] No, so much.
[01:47:00] So much.
[01:47:01] Yeah.
[01:47:02] Patches, discipline equals freedom.
[01:47:03] There is a jujitsu specific patch.
[01:47:05] It says jujitsu, you know, discipline.
[01:47:07] Anyway, go on.
[01:47:08] Jockelster.com, you can see him all.
[01:47:09] And women's shirts.
[01:47:10] Women's shirts are new.
[01:47:12] Oh, yeah.
[01:47:13] Back to the patch is real quick.
[01:47:14] So I got a recommendation for the Velcro one.
[01:47:16] Yes.
[01:47:17] Which is, bro, I don't even know why I didn't like it.
[01:47:19] You know, I can't you don't wear a hat.
[01:47:21] Oh, yeah.
[01:47:22] You don't wear hats.
[01:47:23] Yeah, but I was.
[01:47:24] I wear a hat all the time.
[01:47:26] I had, there's always a space for a patch on there.
[01:47:29] So I'm going to put it on everything.
[01:47:31] There you go.
[01:47:32] Anyway.
[01:47:33] What about the women's shirts?
[01:47:35] Women's shirts.
[01:47:36] Okay.
[01:47:36] Yes.
[01:47:37] Thank you Debbie and, you know, all you guys.
[01:47:40] Every one of them.
[01:47:41] Yeah.
[01:47:42] Female troopers.
[01:47:43] I got it.
[01:47:44] Get that, Greg.
[01:47:45] Yeah.
[01:47:46] Lisa.
[01:47:47] Oh, yeah.
[01:47:48] Lisa.
[01:47:49] Yeah.
[01:47:50] They're on you.
[01:47:51] Yeah.
[01:47:52] They bring me.
[01:47:53] They bring very good input.
[01:47:54] Yeah.
[01:47:55] And I think I'm, and I respect their tenacity.
[01:47:56] Did you feel threatened?
[01:47:57] No.
[01:47:58] No.
[01:47:59] I felt that we were all in this together.
[01:48:00] You know.
[01:48:01] Um, but yeah.
[01:48:02] Thank you.
[01:48:03] So yes, they are coming here.
[01:48:04] Here's the thing.
[01:48:05] They're not t-shirts.
[01:48:06] They're tank tops.
[01:48:07] Cool.
[01:48:08] Do we want t-shirts?
[01:48:09] I don't know.
[01:48:10] If we do, then we're going to ask you shirts as well.
[01:48:12] Good.
[01:48:13] Ask females.
[01:48:14] Female troopers.
[01:48:15] Maybe we'll do a pink.
[01:48:16] We will not.
[01:48:17] Maybe we will, though.
[01:48:18] That's the thing.
[01:48:19] We will not.
[01:48:20] Either way, they are in the literally in the works.
[01:48:22] Sommitted.
[01:48:23] Is that Lisa's like pink pink pink pink?
[01:48:25] Yeah.
[01:48:26] Oh, no.
[01:48:27] Not happened.
[01:48:28] Yes.
[01:48:29] V-tode.
[01:48:30] I didn't really feel like doing the pink either.
[01:48:32] So guess what I did.
[01:48:33] The pink.
[01:48:34] Ah.
[01:48:35] Actually, I didn't do the pink.
[01:48:36] But it's in the works, though.
[01:48:37] Nonetheless, they're on the way.
[01:48:38] Great.
[01:48:39] On the way.
[01:48:40] You know what?
[01:48:41] This is decentralized command folks.
[01:48:42] I'm not micromanage in echo.
[01:48:43] Please get the creative brain.
[01:48:44] So like, they're running over that.
[01:48:46] And humility because just because it's not your specific opinion.
[01:48:49] Yeah.
[01:48:50] But there is a standard of.
[01:48:53] Yeah.
[01:48:54] So hopefully you maintain it.
[01:48:55] I guess I'll just be, you know.
[01:48:57] I'll try and give you the proper guidance.
[01:48:59] All right.
[01:49:00] Well, there you go.
[01:49:01] To make that happen.
[01:49:02] You know, I'll just go store.com.
[01:49:04] That's it.
[01:49:05] That's where they all are.
[01:49:06] And thanks everyone for shopping and supporting.
[01:49:08] It's awesome.
[01:49:09] And should we go to the question?
[01:49:12] Oh, wait.
[01:49:13] One more thing.
[01:49:14] Just a little technical thing.
[01:49:15] Okay.
[01:49:16] Outside.
[01:49:17] Okay.
[01:49:20] Outside of the US.
[01:49:21] Beware outside of US.
[01:49:22] Can't I start anywhere outside of the US?
[01:49:25] I put a little thing on there because just as far as just the shipping process,
[01:49:29] technical thing,
[01:49:30] for customs.
[01:49:32] They want your phone number to create the shipping label.
[01:49:35] I need your phone number.
[01:49:36] Oh, I'm not going to give the phone number out.
[01:49:38] I'm not going to call no one text, no nobody.
[01:49:39] But they just need it for the customs thing.
[01:49:41] Got it.
[01:49:42] So I've tried to put a thing on there,
[01:49:44] but hey, look, you're shopping.
[01:49:46] You just want to check out and be done with it.
[01:49:48] I understand.
[01:49:49] But if possible, try to check and remember that one.
[01:49:52] Otherwise, you got to email him.
[01:49:53] Oh, it's no problem.
[01:49:54] I'll email for for good.
[01:49:55] We want this stuff.
[01:49:56] Yeah.
[01:49:57] Especially it's got a cheap, cheap, a long way.
[01:49:59] Exactly right.
[01:50:00] In the clear in Holland.
[01:50:01] Yeah.
[01:50:02] It's so there's so many people.
[01:50:05] This was really cool.
[01:50:06] He's getting feedback from people all over.
[01:50:08] All over the world.
[01:50:09] That's crazy, right?
[01:50:10] Yep.
[01:50:11] That's kind of crazy, right?
[01:50:12] It's all over the world.
[01:50:13] Troopers getting after it.
[01:50:14] Yeah.
[01:50:15] It makes sense when you keep it.
[01:50:17] People come in from Sweden.
[01:50:22] Yep.
[01:50:23] Was it came in?
[01:50:24] Yeah.
[01:50:25] Came to the gym.
[01:50:26] Didn't roll though.
[01:50:27] But we hung out.
[01:50:28] We talked about physics.
[01:50:29] Properties of physics.
[01:50:30] Yeah.
[01:50:31] Yeah.
[01:50:32] Physics is just...
[01:50:34] Physics is just...
[01:50:35] Guess what?
[01:50:36] He likes to listen to the podcast.
[01:50:38] We don't talk about physics.
[01:50:40] Okay.
[01:50:41] Yeah.
[01:50:42] You don't go in directly.
[01:50:43] Yeah.
[01:50:44] If you can.
[01:50:45] Outside of the US, try to remember the phone number.
[01:50:48] So it just...
[01:50:49] It's a step.
[01:50:50] And it's on its way to you quicker.
[01:50:52] There it goes.
[01:50:53] I don't mind emailing them.
[01:50:54] In fact, I get a lot of cool little conversation.
[01:50:56] Like the Australia guys for some reason.
[01:50:58] I love those guys.
[01:50:59] I'm like, hey, and they'll say the Australian stuff.
[01:51:02] I was in Australia.
[01:51:03] You know, a couple years ago, whatever.
[01:51:05] And Medescaj Jason.
[01:51:06] He's a black belt under Hicks-in.
[01:51:08] And he has it anyway.
[01:51:09] I was with him doing some stuff.
[01:51:11] And he would teach me all the Australian stuff.
[01:51:14] And some I didn't know.
[01:51:15] Like, too easy, for example.
[01:51:16] Too easy is like...
[01:51:17] Yeah, I got this.
[01:51:18] Yeah, like all good.
[01:51:19] Yeah, it's just this real...
[01:51:21] It's kind of ambiguous, but it, you know,
[01:51:23] I love that phrase.
[01:51:24] Anyway, nonetheless, you know, you get into fun conversations with people
[01:51:27] when you email them for...
[01:51:28] For the simple stuff.
[01:51:29] For the short order.
[01:51:30] For the short order.
[01:51:30] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[01:51:32] Whatever, good.
[01:51:33] Good.
[01:51:34] How long would it...
[01:51:36] How long would it...
[01:51:37] How long would it that go?
[01:51:38] Yeah, roughly two hours.
[01:51:39] Roughly two hours.
[01:51:40] Roughly.
[01:51:41] All right.
[01:51:42] Well, I actually got a pretty good stack of questions.
[01:51:45] I'm thinking that for today, we wrap it.
[01:51:48] And hold off on Q&A.
[01:51:49] Until the next one.
[01:51:50] We'll just do all Q&A.
[01:51:52] On the next one.
[01:51:53] I don't...
[01:51:54] I don't...
[01:51:55] I don't...
[01:51:55] I don't...
[01:51:56] I don't...
[01:51:57] I don't...
[01:51:58] I don't...
[01:51:59] I don't...
[01:52:00] I don't...
[01:52:01] I don't...
[01:52:02] I don't...
[01:52:03] I don't...
[01:52:04] I don't...
[01:52:05] I don't...
[01:52:07] If you would be quite frank with you, to kinda tough to...
[01:52:08] even follow up on with this...
[01:52:12] book.
[01:52:15] So...
[01:52:19] So with that,
[01:52:21] thanks everybody
[01:52:23] out there for...
[01:52:24] for listening…
[01:52:26] for supporting the podcast.
[01:52:28] Thanks for taking the time…
[01:52:31] to learn with me…
[01:52:31] to remember
[01:52:33] and this tears re-sören.
[01:52:34] with me to remember with us,
[01:52:42] the depth of the world, the depth of the darkness,
[01:52:50] and the sacrifices that have been made for us.
[01:53:07] And remember that.
[01:53:10] Remember that. Remember these men, and what they were really truly afraid of,
[01:53:26] not afraid of physical agony, not afraid of death itself,
[01:53:33] but they feared losing their future.
[01:53:37] They feared losing their future.
[01:53:44] So we here, sitting here today, we have a future, we have that opportunity.
[01:53:59] So make sure you take every possible advantage of the opportunity that you have,
[01:54:13] and that you have in the future.
[01:54:17] And you know how to do that.
[01:54:26] You do that by getting out there and getting after it.
[01:54:36] And so until next time, this is echo and jockel.
[01:54:45] Out.