Jocko Podcast 246: The Only Real Failure is Giving Up. With JP Dinnell

2020-09-10T22:53:29Z

Join the conversation on Twitter/Instagram: @jockowillink @echocharles @jpdinnell 0:00:00 - Opening 0:12:06 - Failure and Success. Keep Striving. W JP Dinnell. 3:32:51 - How to stay on THE PATH. JOCKO STORE Apparel: https://www.jockostore.com/collections/men Jocko Fuel: https://originmaine.com/nutrition Origin Jeans and Clothes: https://originmaine.com/durable-goods/ Origin Gis: https://originmaine.com/bjj-mma-fit/ 4:07:04 - Closing Gratitude.

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And it's awesome and the cool thing is like these the first ones use the pilot program that people are gonna be able to you know Be a part of it's like being a part of like muster zero zero one like those are plank owners and people are gonna be Plank owners of the individual FTX's You know we were talking last night, you know You're dinner table about the two different tiers that we know that we're gonna definitely do one like I said It's just the the two full days of training and it's just gonna be Run after run after run after run after run I mean you can be you're gonna have so many runs like somebody's gonna say Hey, I'm gonna have to sit this one out and somebody's listening. I can like jump and like slide out like I need to be able to get out like Whoever like they've got they've got me pinned down like they've got their bead well done Take mark on your side for now like like I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna get out of this situation and then I hear A very familiar sound that usually brings a lot of comfort To me and it was Mikey and one of the other machine gunners just Bupupupupupupupupupupupup like they're seeing it off each other and then you hear all the other guy shooting So there's a gunfight going on however that gunfight's not in front of the courtyard they were Down the alleyway they had left me like I Insultly realized that I'd been left behind on that target and I knew that I had to get out of the room But and it was clear But what was not clear to me was when you're actually in that situation because there is some gray zones there There is some like you know like once you're in a situation it kind of changes like How you can interpret something and I know and our leadership had always made it very clear and I knew just knew that if If you shoot somebody That was not in any combat and fighter that was not within the rules of engagement You're gonna be going to jail All right like I'm gonna be going to Levinworth to make big rocks to medium rocks to make medium rocks to small rocks Like that's not gonna be good like you can't just shoot people without them having a weapon or doing a hostile act or something That's within your rules of engagement and so we were setting up an Overwatch and I was lead sniper and I'm scanning my area It's like it's the worst because like what if what if like they didn't say anything They just like okay jpe's back, but then you kind of sense just a little bit of you know Like they're a little bit short with you or something like that it's like that's like an added double triple torture right there and then you told me like and then life comes up and he has his big smile He's like you good to go like yes, sir Then you guys are laughing you're like we were Jocco was joking about how we should just let you sleep until you woke up and just to see like what you would do Remember just the thought of that was like I don't know what I if I would have just kept sleeping and then woken up at like Whenever I don't know three o'clock in the afternoon for the closing of the buster I probably would have just gone straight to the airport right here's my two week notice It's been real thanks guys. and I just remember it's like thinking like man I really need to make this work with echelon front like I really need to make sure I'm doing what I need to do and not just like Make it work like hey, I'm available for work like do you have opportunity like let me know what I need A lot of my marriage to fall apart, but It's still always been there that's kept you know, just me reminded like hey Your your individual actions matter and that's one of the things I've always tried to Remind myself of the opportunity that I've had with with you and life here at echelon front is I need Every one of my Actions needs to impact the team for the greater good and you know, I'm and I would always have this little joke like hey everything's a test Like everything is a test with joccal life like hey, you don't know like I choose to remember that smile How he would come up and he would just like he would always like and it's like slap me on the back and kind of grab my trap and just like Just a little shake and you're just like you such a strong powerful guy when you do that you're like Okay, you know, but You know I mean people are solving problems for each other people ask a question and there's 20 responses and so that's what that next tier is gonna be like is where they're gonna come in We're gonna have that you know how the group dinner morning PT's day of runs dinner morning PT Day of runs and then like a kind of like a final like recapping everything of Of of of round table and that might be that might be a three three and a half day type of Situation but for the individual program, you know people go to echelon front.com And I am so mad at myself Like I am so upset with myself and disappointed and I said well you just screwed up the best thing you ever had Because I'm like this joc was gonna fire me I didn't know like you know like because I also understand there is no Slack with what we do it's been made very clear like hey, we don't miss events We don't drink on the road with clients. and I know you you said it was like is there anything like The VA like you were like concerned because you knew like I was having some issues with with my brain and Just my ability to focus and headaches and and sleeping and and stuff like that He's just more reserved on it and I I had kind of talked about like what about like You know different like signature flavor like you know kind of like one for me or other people would you guys be open to it? and I think he could have come in and be like Hey, this is what we're gonna be doing like hey, I had a talk with Dr. alcohol life and I would have been like Roger that sir Like the check like I know my place. and I would I would make it to where like Even like if I didn't I I wanted to be able to do it to where I if I couldn't see the advanced slide like I would practice different ways Where the computer was behind me like representing the screen and I would I would I would do that and I would get into my little rhythm of like Hey, as you can see to make sure I was still on the right slide Practice using reflections off of like pictures or mirrors and stuff to see where I was at on stuff behind me Just try to put myself in bad situations so that I could go through it We're in no choice but there's that little gray area where it's like man to optimize like Just ask for a little bit of help and you might be able to optimize not to say that's always gonna be a situation But then exactly what you said you kind of got to wrestle with Someone like you would you wouldn't be like you would take it as a personal failure like I shouldn't I shouldn't and this is a good thing by the way I shouldn't have to ask for any help ever unless I'm about to drown otherwise it's not their problem. So I was kind of like talking through and I was like hey, I'm a small business Like this is like part of my business and like it's like oh wave at this time. Yeah That makes sense to me like how you especially with your personality But even like without necessarily your specific personality like you don't want to like as a team member enthusiastic new team member and you have that like kind of attitude or whatever like non That's how I'd fit in on the team and set of focusing on being The best version of who I am being who God created like God created me a certain way I have a certain personality You know, I am I am made the way I am made for a reason Just like you're made the way you are for a reason you've been made able to Figure out exactly what makes you the most effective and you capitalize on that just like life has just like Dave has just like all the other members of the Eshelon front team are have or they're learning to do right and so at that point I had there's there's plenty of options for me to go out I'm saying you didn't act you weren't actually drowning no, you know, but what I'm saying is if if there's someone listening right now That's like drowning then you ask then you have to ask for help and you know what man I have had friends mutual friends of ours people that we know People that you don't know that I mean, you know whatever I've had plenty of friends that have come to me and been like hey man This is what's going on hey maybe you know Just the event something happened with the event like hey, maybe they had a part of that just to see how you would do Obviously we know that's not the fact, but it was just just to allow us and allow myself to not You know fall to complacency You know, I've talked about this in the mustard and we've all taught you know complacency gets people killed And complacency is something that we have to actually go to war with every single day because it creeps in you that Alarm clock goes off the complacency is gonna creep in it is gonna creep in in your professional life Your personal life your relationship with your wife or your husband your significant other You know we had no kitchen because that I mean we had a kitchen we had no dining room area because that's where the office was We would eat in the living room on TV trays like you know that was where we'd have our family dinner Like we didn't actually sit at a table and less we went over to our in-laws and so I would be practicing my keynote 46 hours a day Legitimately like going through it listening to lace Keynote clicking along like making it my own kind of doing some tweaks talking with you in life here and and So I was you know doing what I could and I met this I met these brothers at a shooting course that I did and they're like hey if you ever do like your own like we love to do is like in it like Just some Specific specialized training with you Okay, you know, I thought I was pretty aggressive, but hey all right, but you explain like I need you Like it's just getting stuff done like I need you to you know help set that I need you to help you know just this task unit And so we kind of told him like hey, this is what we need and they're like what we can't do anything like we start at seven And the guy in the guy said okay, we we've Rented out this many rooms for this many days like this needs to happen and the front desk lady was like and And I'm like trying to figure out like I need to get out of the room like I'm trying to time it I'm like well if I maybe if I get on my stomach I can get it like a sprinter's position. It'll be three days You know it'll be With with that group of 30 30 or less and you know, it'll be one day of You know there'll be like round table discussions getting to know the unique differences of the different businesses that Talking through the different problems that people are going through and actually diving deep into their principles and and addressing it with a group and having All the different individuals that are there actually contributing to Like the leadership principles that we talk about and solve because as you see from EF online I mean you look at the chat. You're like you good like yes, they're I was like I'm I don't what happened I was like I'm he's like a good just make sure good. No, it wasn't because there there's gray areas And even the idea of like hey if you shoot the wrong person you're going to prison like that's actually not true and You know civilians We'll get killed in combat unintentionally and if you if mistakes like that are gonna happen and that doesn't mean your chain of command is gonna hang you out to dry You're gonna get sent to prison. He would let me set up shooting courses and hunting hunting rifles down at his family's farm for nothing Because I was like hey man, I was like we could split the cost I can pay you guys it's like man my dad just likes having you around down here I'm like okay, you know, he's that So I'm like man, this is amazing so we shoot a little bit more well he doesn't tell the guy Like my background like in the guy was like the suit first time shooting this guy on my guy You just you know It's an awesome facility that they have done there things didn't work out between us because of my lack of Proper communication with him You know, I I dropped the ball on that and so then I was solely doing my own thing I was teaching shooting I was citing in people's hunting rifles for I was just doing anything I could for extra money like doing construction Repairing fences in the neighborhood for the landlord to help like go towards my rent and you know, and then I got the call to From a team guy buddy of ours Kevin Cap and he was like hey, what are you doing the summer? yes and I told him like hey anything that I can join Jock on life like I'm available just if you can just give me more than like a next day travel heads up like we're good to go You know, she was she's been so amazing from the get go and so helpful We can't just take kids back to the United States with us to provide safety and security But you know, it's just something that's all I've always kind of thought about is my worst day is somebody's dream Like the things that we can complain about People would love to have those Those problems and so that was just another reminder that I have to myself and like hey like your life's not bad Man you live in America You know, you have a house. but and you know how like Especially if Like the ideally you want to be the team player that's like the easiest to work with and then of course The one that executes and does a good job for sure, but what if like what if your team member that you executed well?

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[00:00:00] This is Jockel podcast number 246 with echo Charles and me, Jockel willing good evening echo good evening
[00:00:07] I was
[00:00:11] Doing what I was doing
[00:00:13] I was
[00:00:15] Getting after it working
[00:00:17] It had been five years since I had retired from the Navy
[00:00:22] And in that five years I had been working hard and and
[00:00:31] Listen, I'm not the guy
[00:00:36] That sends a happy birthday texts or
[00:00:41] Or meet you for dinner on a Tuesday night
[00:00:46] Let's not that that's just not I don't know this is not really my personality
[00:00:50] I look if you want dinner and you come to my house at any time will the grill is on will will cook sticks obviously no factor
[00:00:59] but
[00:01:02] When I'm in the zone I start doing my mission. I get focused on that that's what I do and and I'm not saying that this is a good way to be
[00:01:09] I
[00:01:11] Actually don't think it's a good way to be I think I get a little target fixation in life and I'm not really great at
[00:01:21] Maintaining contact with people
[00:01:27] And the fact that I was in the teams my whole life didn't really help because all my friends were team guys and so they didn't need any kind of
[00:01:35] consistent communication either
[00:01:37] I want one guy that I
[00:01:39] Went through buds with went through basic seal training with my class then I went to team one with them
[00:01:45] And then we did three deployments together three pull-toon workups three deployments together
[00:01:49] Then we went in and training sell together and this whole time we were roommates the entire time
[00:01:56] And then I left for the East Coast and
[00:01:59] I didn't say one word for two years
[00:02:03] Zero and then I got back and we both ended up a team seven and like nothing happened
[00:02:08] Look high five and all good and we just picked up and no factor and
[00:02:13] That's just
[00:02:15] Like I said it's I know it's not great, but that's what this is the way my personality is and
[00:02:21] That being said my friends also know that if they call me
[00:02:26] I'll answer the phone and if they need something I will make it happen
[00:02:31] And I don't care if I haven't heard from you for a year or for two years or for six years if
[00:02:39] You're my friend
[00:02:41] I'm ready to rock and roll
[00:02:46] But most people don't actually like to ask me for help
[00:02:52] Most people don't like to ask for help anyways and they definitely don't want to ask of me for help because they don't want me to see that they
[00:02:58] Aren't doing well or they've made a mistake or they put themselves in some kind of bad position
[00:03:04] So most of the time I don't get those calls
[00:03:08] Now
[00:03:10] One of the people that I did
[00:03:12] Keep in touch with
[00:03:14] Was Seth Stone
[00:03:17] The Delta Patoon Commander
[00:03:21] Mostly through text you know because he he got stationed, you know
[00:03:24] He got stationed out of California so he was in different places and so mostly text sometimes email
[00:03:30] occasional phone call, but 95% of time text
[00:03:35] And and just
[00:03:37] Totally good to go two words. You know one word will inside jokes
[00:03:45] Maybe if something cool happened
[00:03:48] Maybe a picture of the waves if they were good
[00:03:50] Maybe a picture of a new board
[00:03:54] He would ask me things
[00:03:57] He would ask me questions blunt questions about things and I would give him blunt answers
[00:04:04] And then he would execute and he would tell me what's going on and like I said these would be in text in short texts
[00:04:12] I would get a text from him in some foreign country
[00:04:16] And it would say you know
[00:04:21] Norway
[00:04:24] Period and then there'd be another text that would say girls period that would be it
[00:04:33] Then I knew exactly what was happening
[00:04:38] And if you need anything obviously to hit me up and
[00:04:43] I'd
[00:04:44] Get whatever you needed
[00:04:48] So one time he sent me a text
[00:04:52] And it said something like
[00:04:57] The JPE needs help
[00:05:00] Can you take care of him?
[00:05:05] And that might not seem that that big of a deal of a text but
[00:05:10] I
[00:05:13] I knew that it there was more to it than just that I knew what that text actually meant because I knew that JPE wouldn't
[00:05:21] ever ask for help
[00:05:23] Who would ask me for anyways
[00:05:28] Too much pride. Is that a thing? Yeah, it's a thing. So I knew JPE wouldn't ask I knew that Seth wouldn't ask me either
[00:05:35] He wouldn't want to burden me with anything but
[00:05:41] Seth obviously knew that there was something going on for him to send me that text and JPE was his guy
[00:05:50] JPE had been Seth's point man and just lead sniper
[00:05:56] And he'd done operation after operation after operation with Seth in
[00:06:01] Remadi
[00:06:03] And JPE was always out front and JPE was always in danger and JPE was always holding the line and JPE was also like my
[00:06:12] brother
[00:06:15] It's kind of like my little brother
[00:06:17] I mean I was
[00:06:19] a decade older than him
[00:06:21] Actually more than that I think
[00:06:23] He was 22 years old when I met him in 23 when
[00:06:26] When I sent him in a battle
[00:06:37] And I had no problems without whatsoever because that's what he was meant to do
[00:06:44] But at this point when I got this text JPE was in the civilian world
[00:06:48] He'd gotten out of the navy and
[00:06:54] Because he was in the civilian world and Seth was still in the navy and Seth was working and traveling and wrapped up and all that stuff
[00:07:04] Seth couldn't
[00:07:06] Provide any help
[00:07:09] At least the amount of help that he wanted to provide so
[00:07:12] That's why Seth hit me up
[00:07:18] And I had been trading some texts with JPE occasionally
[00:07:23] You know there's a fight would happen or you know we talked about UFC or well just just basic stuff
[00:07:30] I knew that he was working in a couple different various places bouncing around a little bit
[00:07:43] Trying to figure things out
[00:07:47] But a young JPE was meant to go to war so it was no surprise that things might not be as perfect
[00:07:53] As they could be as he tried to play the role of a civilian in the civilian world
[00:08:06] So when Seth asked me to take care of JPE it was only because Seth couldn't do it himself
[00:08:10] And that meant that I had to and and people throw the word brotherhood around
[00:08:26] But this is what it means
[00:08:30] It means 100% commitment anytime anywhere
[00:08:34] Forever
[00:08:44] No one gets left behind
[00:08:49] So when Seth asked me to help JPE
[00:08:52] I responded to Seth's text with one word Roger
[00:09:04] And Seth wrote back it thank you
[00:09:10] That was it so I started to escalate
[00:09:14] The idea that had been floating around of getting JPE to come work at echelon front
[00:09:22] Because what I actually knew
[00:09:26] But what I figured out when I started thinking through this that wasn't really help that JPE needed at least not in the traditional sense of the word what JPE needed was a mission
[00:09:35] So he ended up coming on the podcast
[00:09:47] Exactly 200 episodes ago
[00:09:51] Episode 46
[00:09:55] In October of 2016 and if you haven't listened to that episode
[00:09:59] You can go back and listen to it right now just to hear the background of JPE's experience and
[00:10:06] Younger life and in the teams and in TU bruiser
[00:10:10] But at that time when he was on the podcast he needed a mission so he was actually out when he came on the podcast he had come out to
[00:10:17] Observe the first echelon front master
[00:10:20] And that was the beginning of his second career
[00:10:31] Is the beginning of his new mission he was the first instructor we brought on board at echelon front and he has been here ever since
[00:10:42] And the last time he came on
[00:10:44] Maybe you can tell a little bit when you listen to that podcast but his life was not
[00:10:54] In the best place
[00:10:59] He was off the path
[00:11:04] But he's in a totally different place now a much better place
[00:11:07] And part of the reason for that is because of our friend Seth
[00:11:18] Who was always looking to take care of his guys?
[00:11:25] And he passed the word to me
[00:11:29] To getting engaged
[00:11:32] And Seth hasn't here anymore
[00:11:34] But JPE is
[00:11:39] And JPE is here tonight to
[00:11:45] Fill us in on the rest of this story this backstory and
[00:11:50] The lessons that he's learned on this journey
[00:11:57] And how he's climbed out of that place that maybe wasn't ideal
[00:12:01] And the worries that now
[00:12:08] JPE
[00:12:10] Welcome back
[00:12:13] Thank you for having me back. I had no idea Seth I would text that
[00:12:21] A while ago I was asking you questions. I was trying to figure out I was saying hey remember when Seth drove visited you
[00:12:29] I was trying to figure out when that I was trying to put together the dates
[00:12:35] So that I could figure out
[00:12:38] How what I did but I did actually didn't want to tell you I didn't want to tell you that that's what it happened
[00:12:44] But I was asking you like when did you and when did you come to the most in when did Seth see you?
[00:12:47] I was trying to put together the dates because
[00:12:50] I have the old texts
[00:12:52] But I have you and me your your R text. I have back until a long time
[00:12:59] Whatever Seth's phone number changed in 2017 so I only have
[00:13:03] Like I don't know I don't have the full history at least not on I couldn't find it
[00:13:09] But yeah, that's what happened. He sent me a text that was like
[00:13:13] JPE needs help
[00:13:15] Can you take care of him and I just wrote back Roger
[00:13:17] Awesome and you know you and I like I said and as I went through our text and
[00:13:25] You know, I don't know
[00:13:27] Where but all of a sudden I was like okay if I could JPE to come to the master he's gonna see what's going on and then he can like
[00:13:35] Hook a carabiner into this thing and yeah, let's go rock and roll well it was also
[00:13:39] At that time I was also reaching out to you consistently and and I remember specifically I said hey
[00:13:48] I know the mentor doesn't seek out the mentee. That's why I'm hitting you up. Is there anything I can help with?
[00:13:56] Because you and I were talking one time and like oh I just did a gig and I'm like wait where was that and you told me I'm like
[00:14:01] I was 35 minutes from a house
[00:14:03] And I remember we were just texting about that. You're like I had no idea sorry
[00:14:07] Like I don't even know where I'm going until like the day before according to my calendar. That's how busy
[00:14:12] And I I'll be honest at first I was when you said down like yeah
[00:14:16] Remember you tell me you did like later all you like a like two years later. You're like I didn't believe you and then it was happening to you
[00:14:22] But I get it now because I'm like wait what city am I going to next? Oh, okay?
[00:14:27] Yeah, yeah, there's what last year I but I don't I can't remember what month it was but yeah, I spent five nights at home
[00:14:35] Like all the FTXs and
[00:14:38] Musters and everything else like that and engagements and I remember I was like oh yeah
[00:14:42] I get that but yeah, that was I was texting you just hey, what can I do to help is hurting to you?
[00:14:47] Help with and there is a from for me
[00:14:51] I just thought you were like hey man if you ever need anything I thought it was one of those
[00:14:55] well, I didn't I didn't understand I didn't read into it. I should have been like okay
[00:15:00] You know jp's text to me four times in the last two months saying hey if you ever need anything
[00:15:07] Let me know I'm an idiot and I should have been like oh, okay
[00:15:11] I need to talk to jp and said I was like hey, we're all good right now. We're something
[00:15:15] Well, I could have been a little more aggressive to the point and clear with my communication and said
[00:15:20] Because my my thought was okay, I've done I've done sales for a couple years when I got out. I was doing well
[00:15:27] I left that to start my own consulting company
[00:15:29] I
[00:15:31] Left doing that very emotional. You know, I didn't really plan out what I was going to be doing and so
[00:15:39] You know, there was just a gap and work and and stuff like that and I in my mind I was like well
[00:15:44] I can sell I know what they're doing like it works as well
[00:15:49] Maybe they need somebody to help with sales or or anything
[00:15:52] I was just I wanted it to do anything I could just to try to help and be
[00:15:56] Back working for you again and life and you know, I just I did want to be too aggressive and too pushy
[00:16:03] Checked this out echo trolls just have you ever seen a movie called the sixth sense yes
[00:16:09] Jp of you seen it. Yes
[00:16:11] You know how like in the end you all of a sudden the whole picture becomes clear of what happened
[00:16:16] That's basically what happened with me was when I got that text from Seth all of a sudden like all the dots connected and I was I said to myself
[00:16:24] Oh, that's what's going on. That's what these texts are
[00:16:28] Manatee it yeah, I mean because during that time
[00:16:32] I was helping build up I was helping it a guy build up his training facility in Alabama
[00:16:39] It's an awesome facility that they have done there things didn't work out between us because of my lack of
[00:16:46] Proper communication with him
[00:16:48] You know, I I dropped the ball on that and so then I was solely doing my own thing
[00:16:52] I was teaching shooting I was citing in people's hunting rifles for I was just doing anything I could for extra money like doing construction
[00:17:00] Repairing fences in the neighborhood for the landlord to help like go towards my rent and you know, and then I got the call
[00:17:08] to
[00:17:09] From a team guy buddy of ours Kevin Cap and he was like hey, what are you doing the summer? I'm like at the time
[00:17:15] I'm like why'd open right now? I'm not
[00:17:18] Let me check my schedule
[00:17:20] Um, and he said hey
[00:17:23] Would you want to be on transformer's 5 as an extra playing in ABC?
[00:17:27] And I said something back to him like pretty smart ass
[00:17:30] He's like no I'm being serious Michael Bay is looking for younger looking team guys
[00:17:35] I'm like awesome what do you need for me?
[00:17:36] So I like I sent over there for you know, I said what do you need to back for me?
[00:17:39] Didn't hear anything I was still helping out somebody else with their training company kind of building that up and then I was down
[00:17:46] In Alabama again, so I'm back down in Alabama with another guy and I
[00:17:52] Get the call from
[00:17:55] Harry's wife. Harry's an old team guy. He's been in the movie industry for a long time and she's like hey
[00:18:00] Michael Bay loves your pictures loves your stuff. Can you
[00:18:04] Be on a plane tomorrow?
[00:18:07] I
[00:18:08] Hold on let me let me check because in their world everything runs around them. I'm like I have a family I have commitments and so I talked to the guy
[00:18:16] My K here's the opportunity I have like or you go with it and he was like do that's a great opportunity
[00:18:22] Go ahead. I'm like okay, so we finish our little business dinner down there
[00:18:26] It's a six hour drive back to Mississippi. I call Amanda
[00:18:31] Explained to her and she's like that's amazing. Yes, so I drive all the way back pack out everything
[00:18:36] They're like oh you're going up to you know Detroit Michigan area
[00:18:40] It was like that's where the filming outside of there
[00:18:42] You know don't know how long you're gonna be up here. So it's just total open-ended don't know how long you're gonna be up here
[00:18:49] Went up there we ended up going to the UK filmed over in the UK as well
[00:18:53] You know, it was a really cool experience getting to just see that aspect of it and um
[00:18:59] Which it was cool what year was that this was 2016?
[00:19:03] This is a summer of 2016
[00:19:06] And you know and it's funny. I got a text from one of my buddies
[00:19:10] Michael the other day when you know the saddle apple sniper came out
[00:19:15] He's like hey man. I'm super proud of you. He's like four years ago
[00:19:19] You were trying to figure out
[00:19:21] Possibilities of getting paid from paramount pictures sooner because they're they're
[00:19:27] Pay is super slow. They don't care like they don't like oh you'll get your pay when you get your pay
[00:19:32] And a lot of the guys not just me. We're just like hey man. We left other stuff that paid on time to come do this
[00:19:37] And now we're not getting paid on time like we kind of need a money and
[00:19:42] He's like four years ago. You're trying to figure out how to actually get paid in a timely manner and I get room
[00:19:48] Signature flavor energy intake with with jockel and he's like that's amazing and so it's just
[00:19:53] It's crazy to see the last four years what is what is progressed
[00:19:58] So did the filming and then I was
[00:20:02] Looking at doing some contracting. There's some security work up in the decoders on the pipeline
[00:20:07] I was gonna go do an opportunity to go do some security and some long-range shooting instruction overseas and
[00:20:14] That one that one paid a thousand dollars a day for 70 days and I'm like
[00:20:19] This was the one that we had to discuss
[00:20:22] This was the one that was a big choice
[00:20:26] Yeah, that was I get the I get the thumbs up on that one
[00:20:31] So the the monster was gonna take place and not October. I think yes, and you know I said hey
[00:20:37] This is I actually looked at the text yesterday. You know I said hey, we're doing an event October 14th and 15th or whatever
[00:20:43] It would be cool if you could come out and see what we're doing and
[00:20:49] You had just gotten this offer to go overseas for a thousand bucks a day for 70 days
[00:20:53] It makes 70 grand 70 grand when we had
[00:20:56] We didn't even I mean total between checking and savings
[00:21:01] We didn't even have a couple hundred dollars at the time. You know I'd put my family in a really bad position and
[00:21:07] And I remember talking to you about that and the guy Michael I'm talking about I called him for advice as well
[00:21:15] After I in the call to Amanda when I had talked to you I talked to him. I was trying to get a grasp for the situation before I call to Amanda
[00:21:22] So I could actually have like a legitimate conversation with her and kind of talk through the opportunities and
[00:21:30] You know, it was it was awesome. She just kind of let me talk and I already knew the answer
[00:21:34] I knew what I needed to do and she did too and you know she told me she's like
[00:21:39] You know what the answer is she's like you know
[00:21:42] Joccona life will never steer you wrong. You know the opportunity with Joccona life is
[00:21:47] Is unlike anything else that you've had and the fact that they're giving you this opportunity
[00:21:52] You need to take advantage of it. I agree a hundred percent. I just I guess I needed to hear from her because it's easy if I if I was single
[00:21:59] That's a brainer, but when you have a wife and three kids that
[00:22:03] Can be affected by your decisions and I had obviously made some decisions. I put them in hard positions
[00:22:09] I mean there is times where we were using gift cards that we got from Christmas and birthdays and everything to go eat dinner
[00:22:16] Like okay, we'll tie to money
[00:22:18] Guess what hey kids you guys want to talk about cool yeah because we have a 25 dollar gift card to talk about we can
[00:22:24] Go get $15 or the food is a family and then have 10 more for another day and it was going over the in-laws and eaten with them a lot and
[00:22:31] You know it's just
[00:22:33] Harps issues I didn't want to put my kids in but then I'm getting this
[00:22:37] $1,000 a day in front of me
[00:22:40] I had another buddy Steve Arian who is I was teaching long-range shooting with he has a awesome consulting and shooting company
[00:22:47] Gray Fox industries. He's always been really good to me and he he kind of knew I was in that you know needed work and so he always would be like hey
[00:22:55] I'm I'm offering you this first before I give it to the other instructors that I have and
[00:22:59] At the same time I was already committed to teaching with him in Texas and then I was going to be headed for that overseas gig
[00:23:08] And so when I decided and I called you and you're like cool
[00:23:13] You know, just let me know when you get you know
[00:23:15] When you book your fly I'll get you connected with Jamie and I called Steve
[00:23:20] I said hey, you know, here's the opportunity I have you guys I can get another instructor to cover down
[00:23:26] Yeah, but he was tied on his his funds as well. He's a cam not gonna be able to pay you your travel day
[00:23:32] You know because I don't have to pay for another instructor like I don't care man like the fact that you're cool with me
[00:23:37] leaving halfway through this course
[00:23:39] Do thank you so much like this this means a lot to me and
[00:23:42] And
[00:23:44] And so I was already out in Texas. I already driven out there and so I looked through all my old airline accounts that I
[00:23:51] Because when I traveled a lot doing sales I had point added up. I'm like oh
[00:23:56] I can all be able to get from Texas from love field to
[00:24:01] San Diego I have points at least get me there
[00:24:03] And I was trying to figure out how I was gonna get my back three to the out of the money and
[00:24:07] And so we figured out like I finally I get the flight book that I remember when I sent you that you're like awesome
[00:24:12] You connect me to Jamie and
[00:24:15] You'd mention like yeah, maybe you can crash on my house like you can say with me here and I was trying to figure out where I was going to stay
[00:24:22] But in my mind my concern was well, I can't rent a car and we're not gonna have enough money to to Uber
[00:24:29] I'm not gonna have enough money to Uber anywhere so I'm like thinking okay, hey, and then as we got closer to the vet
[00:24:34] Like Jamie got a hold of me and she's like hey, we have a room here for you at the hotel where the event's gonna be and that I was so thankful
[00:24:42] Like okay, I don't need to Uber any eyes like I can at least Uber from the airport to the hotel
[00:24:47] And I remember I even like looked at it like I can just walk I can walk there
[00:24:52] Like from the airport to that hotel. Not a big deal and
[00:24:57] And so
[00:24:59] It just worked out and it was able to make it out there and
[00:25:02] We were gonna do whatever we had to get me out there for the opportunity yeah, and you you camouflage
[00:25:08] It's basically all this from me the conversations that we had I thought you know you're making a decision
[00:25:13] You know you said hey I got this opportunity
[00:25:15] To go overseas and make this much a day
[00:25:18] I didn't know that I remember saying you look that's a kind of a that's a great deal
[00:25:23] You know and if you if you need to go do that, you know we can hook up later or whatever
[00:25:26] I didn't know that you were in the dire straits that you were in because you didn't tell me because
[00:25:32] Because I'm a grown man that put myself in that position
[00:25:37] It was nobody else's fault other than mine yeah and
[00:25:43] Yeah, that's one of those things when it's so when I bring like someone on board
[00:25:46] You know I don't I don't want to pull the wool over your eyes and another thing I told you was hey
[00:25:51] If you come to Eshelon front you may have
[00:25:56] 50 gigs next year and you may have one you know I don't know I we you know
[00:26:02] It's we're going into the market. I don't know you know no one is gonna know who you are
[00:26:06] No one's gonna you know
[00:26:08] Understand who you are and we'll have you on the podcast and people will get a little bit familiar with you, but
[00:26:14] I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. I don't know what it's gonna what it's gonna get you
[00:26:17] So I don't know yeah, and you are super transparent and honest
[00:26:20] And you said nobody knows who jpey to know is
[00:26:25] They are requesting life-babin and jaco
[00:26:27] Like that's when they reach out to Eshelon front for speaking that's who they want
[00:26:31] But yeah, and then you said the rest and I was like yeah, I understand 100%
[00:26:36] And the other thing that you said that I'll always remember and you know it's a little fear of loss
[00:26:41] Put in there, but you weren't doing it on purpose. You're just being honest and this was a very
[00:26:46] realistic
[00:26:47] possibility said
[00:26:49] I don't know when the next time we would be able to link up like in regards to like I don't know when I'll be able to get you out to the next event for you to see what we're doing
[00:26:58] and
[00:27:00] for me that was that was I mean not terrifying, but for me that was
[00:27:05] It put me on edge because if you're like a now or never situation absolutely it was we have I have to do this and
[00:27:12] You know Amanda understood that a hundred percent I understood it my buddy Steve
[00:27:16] He understood it as well. I mean he was super supportive of it. I mean he even office like man is everything
[00:27:21] I could do to help you get out there
[00:27:23] It's just a great guy and I just I knew the opportunity that I had and I wasn't going to
[00:27:30] I mean what what's gonna happen? What what worst of a situation am I gonna be in?
[00:27:34] I use all my online points. I use up the little money. I had in my PayPal account for Uber because I
[00:27:39] You know with me teaching shooting
[00:27:42] Some people had bought the never settle shirts that I had at the time not a lot of people were buying them
[00:27:46] But some people would buy them and they'd buy it through PayPal so that money I never even transferred to my bank account
[00:27:52] Because that was like a extra saving savings that was out of sight out of mind that I was able to use that was your Uber account
[00:28:02] It's so great. I can't believe it's it's again. It's a six cents thing for me right now even right now because I'm also thinking
[00:28:09] I paid you to come to the monster because like you help me ramp PT and everything right
[00:28:14] You paid me after we got done recording episode 46 and we're standing outside of the office and you have me a check on them
[00:28:21] I like open up
[00:28:23] What is it and I got pushed it back towards you and I said no and you
[00:28:29] I actually got pretty upset
[00:28:32] And you said something to me and you you pushed it back towards me
[00:28:36] And I was like okay, what do you mean said something what do you said? We of course we want to know what he said
[00:28:41] Fuck you
[00:28:45] And to me that's the check
[00:28:48] Well, what you didn't know is we had $17 in our bank account total between checking and savings and the check that you gave me that I was like
[00:28:59] I mean
[00:29:01] Yeah, I mean that was but see that that's why I said six cents because when I gave you that check and you looked at it
[00:29:07] It looked like I just gave you a check
[00:29:10] For a million dollars and and you felt like the look on your face was
[00:29:17] It was actually as if it was a million dollars and I was giving it to you and your look was this is amazing
[00:29:23] But I can't accept this right and that's the look that you had on your face
[00:29:27] I couldn't
[00:29:28] I couldn't but when Jocca says I to you and pushes it back and he legitimately looked like angry with me
[00:29:35] I'm like oh I've never seen Jocca angry before
[00:29:38] Yeah, and so
[00:29:41] I mean even getting up to when we recorded episode 46
[00:29:45] I'm thankful that
[00:29:47] Brady was in town in Brady you know Lanter who's been a you know trooper from day one with you guys
[00:29:53] This was there at the mustard and he had asked I believe you if he could come and just sit to listen
[00:30:00] And he paid for the Uber as we're headed up there. I was gonna pay for it
[00:30:04] But I was like oh, you know and he paid for it up there and I was like
[00:30:07] Okay, and then you dropped us off of the hood on the way back
[00:30:14] But it's so crazy and you know I talked about this before like
[00:30:19] When you're in a leadership position right and this is me talking because I know that this happens
[00:30:26] No one wants to tell me that they're tired no one wants to tell me that they don't want to do another mission
[00:30:31] No one's tell me that stuff and
[00:30:33] Hardly anyone ever does you know and no one wants to tell me that hey man. I'm really hurt from money right now
[00:30:39] What can we do to make this work? No instead you're just like hey kids you're eating ramen
[00:30:46] You know, I mean I shared it on episode 46
[00:30:51] You know my my family there was times that we were really tired on money like really tight
[00:30:56] And there's times that a man to grow up they were really tired on money like my father and law and my father
[00:31:01] Like I told you before many times to the hardest working man
[00:31:04] I know I
[00:31:05] If shared the stories of my dad, you know growing up him working construction
[00:31:09] Him be he would be coughing up blood because he had pneumonia who super sick is in the winter time and he's still
[00:31:16] Would go out and frame houses poor concrete do brick and blockwork
[00:31:20] Ruffa house whatever working need to do for 10 12 14 hour days so that we we could get paid
[00:31:26] So that he can provide our family my father and law
[00:31:29] Same way he had to have always two to three jobs at a time he would come home from work
[00:31:37] He would spend some time with Amanda and in her mom Debbie and in her brother Nick and
[00:31:44] Then he would go do some night shift somewhere
[00:31:47] He'd come home get a couple hours of sleep and then he go do is is to I mean he was always working and I
[00:31:53] Did I knew that from times with with with Amanda and my my understanding was you know
[00:31:59] I put myself in the situation. I can work out of it now
[00:32:03] Thinking back four years later could I have gone about a different way? Absolutely. You know it's like
[00:32:09] The missions that we would do you can always look at the mission that you do and even though you come out of a mission
[00:32:14] What's the success you look at it and you're like hey, you know if we would have done this it would have been a little more effective
[00:32:18] Hey, if we would have done this maybe those guys wouldn't have been wounded
[00:32:20] My thing is I put myself in that situation. I had already read extreme ownership and
[00:32:27] Extreme ownership is like we shared on the last podcast what regained the marriage for a man and I we were divorced
[00:32:34] And we were able to get our marriage and our family back together
[00:32:38] I knew that I had put myself in that situation. It wasn't anybody else's fault and
[00:32:44] At the time like before I read extreme ownership like when things had fallen apart with some other guys with their
[00:32:49] Contracting companies or the training companies that I was helping out and helping build up
[00:32:55] That crept back into me of that that blame and I got mad at them and I was up set and frustrated with them
[00:33:02] And then I read extreme ownership and like well no actually I could have been more proactive
[00:33:07] I could have had better communication I could have done so many more things that would have
[00:33:11] Ensure that I had success with these other business relationships and
[00:33:15] And you know and I just I needed to work out of it now. It was my ego involved for sure
[00:33:22] I mean because I don't know if anybody and it doesn't
[00:33:26] Man or woman that wants to go to somebody that they respect some of that they worked with a friend of family member and say hey
[00:33:33] You know we're hurt and financially nobody wants to go do that what I should have done
[00:33:38] Like you just said is been a little more transparent and said what can we do to work through this like
[00:33:45] Yeah, and that's the thing that sucks as I look back because
[00:33:49] You know I gave you this check which was you know it was cool. It was it was just it was some money
[00:33:54] Yes, but that's not that didn't get you out of the hole and I didn't know
[00:33:58] How big the hole was I didn't know what your fault said? I didn't know you didn't have money
[00:34:02] I just didn't know that I thought hey, you know he's got I knew you were doing other stuff
[00:34:05] I know you're teaching shooting whatever I knew you had some other things going on and I thought you know
[00:34:09] Hey cool will will slowly you know we'll start getting you some gigs
[00:34:13] Why don't you on the podcast that'll come out people start asking about it
[00:34:15] We'll get you on the roster we'll take you to some gigs you can sit there in the back you can do some Q&A
[00:34:20] And we'll get you you know we'll get you ramped up over the next three four months no big deal
[00:34:24] That's what I'm thinking yeah, I'm thinking no big deal. We'll get you ramped up over the next three or four months and
[00:34:31] You know my attitude
[00:34:33] In life and
[00:34:36] And it that attitude reflects very deeply into the way that I run businesses is
[00:34:44] You eat what you kill and so if you come and work for me and you think well
[00:34:49] I'm just gonna give you money because you showed up now
[00:34:52] I'm not actually gonna do that if you come and work with me and you start producing results
[00:34:59] Cool we split up the results and we go forward and everyone's happy
[00:35:03] So what I'm saying is you show up at echelon front to start working you do not get any money until you start working
[00:35:09] Yes, and that took time and what I didn't realize is
[00:35:13] You weren't out of that whole yet and so that puts you for a few more months again
[00:35:19] This is all me looking back six cents now. I go. Oh, that's what was going on but it was not
[00:35:25] It was not oh welcome to echelon front now everything's good
[00:35:27] No, and the way the way that I hit the way that it happened was was perfect though and I am I am fully on board with what you just said
[00:35:36] And I think I think if
[00:35:38] Everybody operated that way society would be a lot better. I truly believe that
[00:35:44] Because it takes away from that sense of entitlement and people think that because they're all a part of a team
[00:35:50] That they get to reap the rewards and it's like no like if you are putting out if you are working
[00:35:57] If you're hunting then you're going to eat and I knew that and you told me you and life both told me hey
[00:36:02] We are going to give you as much work as you want if it's there
[00:36:07] You are the one that needs to tell us like hey, I need a need a break and I remember laughing
[00:36:13] When you guys said that oh my god, that's okay. That's that's gonna be a great problem half
[00:36:18] And so we came I come back from San Diego the monster is great met a lot of amazing troopers at that very first monster
[00:36:23] You know, I learned so much at the monster and that was when that was my
[00:36:28] I am all in this is what I want to be doing like you said
[00:36:32] I needed that new mission and I've talked about this multiple
[00:36:35] Muster is about
[00:36:36] Finding a new mission because a lot of people without that mission they're lost and when they're lost
[00:36:43] Very rarely are you gonna actually make any sort of progress if you're truly lost you'll make zero progress
[00:36:48] If you kind of start to figure out where you're at then you can start to get some progress
[00:36:54] It's like if you're doing land navigation and you don't have a compass and you're out there and all you have is a topographical map
[00:37:00] You're completely lost you have no idea what's going on so it's a middle of the night
[00:37:04] It's really hard to see terrain features in the middle of the night if you're out in the middle of nowhere
[00:37:09] You might be able to see a little bit with the moon and the stars and if you're really good at being able to rain that
[00:37:15] Read the train then you might be able to figure out where you're on that map
[00:37:19] What you actually need is the ability to look around and and gain some situation on awareness
[00:37:25] Yeah, and what you actually need beyond that is you need to have a goal of where you're trying to go to
[00:37:31] Because otherwise you can look at that map all day and sit there because it doesn't matter
[00:37:34] You need a map you need a compass. Yeah, but you need to pick a point on that map and say
[00:37:39] Okay, this is where I'm trying to get to 100% and this isn't by the way
[00:37:43] We say this all the time to veterans. Hey, you need a new mission when you get out of military
[00:37:47] But it's not just veterans. It's people that graduate from college people that get laid off from a job
[00:37:53] People that get leave you know their family splits up and all of a sudden they're by themselves
[00:37:57] All those situations are situations where you got to look up and say okay, what's my new mission?
[00:38:01] What am I gonna do and if you don't do it you're sitting out in the middle of the woods without a map without a compass and without
[00:38:06] Without a without a destination that you're trying to get to absolutely and so
[00:38:11] Once I figured out okay, this was my new mission. This is this is what I wanted to be doing
[00:38:17] It changed my mindset because I I was at the time where I was just surviving. I was
[00:38:25] Just trying to survive for my family trying to like just I one thing I know
[00:38:30] Is I know I'm smart. I know I'm not super intelligent like a lot of like the people I work around with these days
[00:38:36] Like my brother and my sister very extremely intelligent
[00:38:41] But I know I can work hard and so that's what all I was doing was just working working working hard
[00:38:46] Which is great. There's nothing wrong with hard work
[00:38:49] I just wasn't being smart with my hard work
[00:38:51] So I wasn't getting like the momentum and the success that I needed to put my family in a different situation because
[00:38:59] There was no clear mission like I had no why like
[00:39:03] Or let me kind of go back on that my why was providing for my family that was clear
[00:39:09] But in order for that why to provide the results and yield the the success that I wanted
[00:39:15] And I really I wasn't gonna be able to do that until I had figured out what that new mission was going to be and I thought it was gonna be
[00:39:22] Starting never settle consulting because I wanted to be teaching shooting tactics and combat as
[00:39:27] To law enforcement and military to help them out like I my heart was big for law enforcement because I saw the lack of training that they had
[00:39:35] And that's where I really want to do what I screwed up was is I didn't come up with a good plan
[00:39:41] All the things that I knew to do in the military all the things that I knew to do as a point man as a sniper
[00:39:46] Like
[00:39:47] With planning and you know just making sure I can execute the highest level. I wasn't doing that as a civilian
[00:39:53] So I was failing and then when I saw what you guys are doing and saw how I could have a
[00:40:00] Just a seat at the table and the ability to contribute and to provide impact and service and
[00:40:07] You know, I've always
[00:40:09] understood servant leadership
[00:40:11] You know growing up in the church my parents always explained it to me. I saw it firsthand from family members
[00:40:17] And then I saw it firsthand working directly for Seth Seth was an
[00:40:22] Amazing leader that served his men. He he was always about the man. He was always about the mission
[00:40:28] He was all he was it was everybody else but himself. He always took care of everybody else and when I saw
[00:40:35] What you guys were doing here at echelon front at the very beginning
[00:40:38] That's what I saw like I saw that again. I saw that fulfillment of
[00:40:42] Something that was very similar
[00:40:44] To what we had in the seal teams and I I wanted to be a part of it. That's all I want yeah and and going back to the
[00:40:51] Analogy of land navigation
[00:40:53] You can be a hard worker and you can go and up and down those hills with your rucksack
[00:40:58] But if you don't know where you're going you're all you're doing is sweating a lot and doing a lot of work
[00:41:03] But you're not actually making any progress in any direction and that's that's not good and and I'm sure
[00:41:09] You know, I'm sure we talked about this but from the get go at echelon front almost immediately
[00:41:14] We were working with not just companies, but we were working with law enforcement
[00:41:18] We were working with military units so I know that was you said you you saw that that's we were already executing what you know
[00:41:25] What you actually really wanted to do and then you saw
[00:41:29] Which the my what a great introduction come to the master and you saw that not only does this apply to law enforcement and the military
[00:41:38] But it also applies to every
[00:41:41] Business out there everyone a leadership position
[00:41:43] You know starting my own thing was it was good. I'm glad I did it learn like I learned some very valuable lessons
[00:41:51] um
[00:41:54] But for for me to have the opportunity to be a part of what you you in life were doing it was it was a good opportunity for me
[00:42:01] To also learn to check my ego because I had a lot of people like man you need to be doing your own thing
[00:42:05] You need to be doing your own business. You need you right your own book. You need it's all you know
[00:42:09] It's all about me doing my own thing
[00:42:11] And I just I would be very polite to people that say that
[00:42:15] Sometimes I would be a little irritated because I'm super defensive of you and life and my boys
[00:42:20] You know I've always been like that and I know they didn't mean it the wrong way and
[00:42:24] I found we just taught people like I don't care that it's not my company
[00:42:28] What this company is doing is what matters like this is what matters this is what I want to be a part of this
[00:42:33] It doesn't need to be my consulting company. That means nothing
[00:42:37] Like and I know I'm a part of this as a gross and that was at the very beginning like I was you know
[00:42:42] There is this you need to be doing your own thing from other you know people
[00:42:45] I didn't really know me very well. I didn't know you guys very well
[00:42:48] Because when I came back from us recording the podcast
[00:42:51] I went straight back to what I was doing teaching shooting citing and hunting rifles
[00:42:58] Doing construction whatever I could do to to make some ends meet and
[00:43:02] And I remember I was I got a miss call from Jamie and I called her back I was out at my buddy's property
[00:43:11] He's such a good guy. He would always let me have that his his family had
[00:43:15] 100 and seven acres down
[00:43:17] John south of us where we lived in Mississippi
[00:43:20] He's a you know former service member you know he was wounded overseas
[00:43:25] He was a he was a cop in the Memphis area
[00:43:27] Then he's working for his family's business and so him and I would we would go shooting all the time my gains great guy
[00:43:33] He was a sniper and he was like yeah, is it when I should have zagged
[00:43:37] Shaw it you know just always you know makes light of the the situation that he's in him
[00:43:42] He was another guy that really helped me out because I he knew kind of the situation
[00:43:46] I was in I was trying to make ends for my family
[00:43:48] He would let me set up shooting courses and hunting hunting rifles down at his family's farm for nothing
[00:43:53] Because I was like hey man, I was like we could split the cost I can pay you guys it's like man my dad just likes having you around down here
[00:44:00] I'm like okay, you know, he's that and so I would always offer to pay and he just always was like nope nope
[00:44:06] And he so he really helped me out and I remember I was down there and I was
[00:44:10] I got a miss call and I called Jamie after I was you know sighting in this rifle and she's okay
[00:44:15] It's super last minute. I was talking to Jaco
[00:44:18] You know he has an event with
[00:44:20] Um, Los Angeles County fire. It's a full day workshop. Would you be able to make out to San Diego?
[00:44:27] I said um yeah, I went she's like we'd have to get you on a plane tomorrow
[00:44:31] Okay, and I call my wife really quick. She said absolutely and she's like and it's it's not a paid gig
[00:44:37] But it's a good opportunity for you to just go see what Jaco's doing and you know kind of getting the game
[00:44:42] I'm like yeah, okay. I don't I don't care and
[00:44:45] She's like but we're gonna book your travel. I'm like oh cool awesome
[00:44:48] I was gonna be kind of book my own flight out there. I was like and this is an October
[00:44:53] So we recorded in September right yeah the muscle was in September
[00:44:57] I forget no no no
[00:44:59] There's not so this is legitimately next week. So okay and so I was on fire up. I call it a man and I she's like
[00:45:08] Okay cool. Yeah, no no factor
[00:45:11] And I remember I was so excited because you know Jamie's like hey it's last minute flight the seat to kind of crappy
[00:45:17] I'm like it's okay and I flew from Memphis to Atlanta and then I landed in San Diego and so yeah
[00:45:24] Both both like some middle seat get some back in economy and I'm just I
[00:45:29] Just having huge smile on my face like good I could care less
[00:45:33] You know and I just had the mindset of like I was just so happy that I was getting to do this
[00:45:38] It's a it's a same mindset that I had going through buds and
[00:45:41] In training and in combat was I get to do this. I would always try to
[00:45:45] Remind myself like I get to do this and the fact that I was flying out to San Diego
[00:45:51] I was a static I'm like man I would have drove out there. You like Jamie would have said hey
[00:45:56] We need you by here. I'm like all right. It's gonna take me
[00:45:59] 28 hours. Let's go get something so I fly there
[00:46:03] Man the hotel you come pick me up the next day we go up we do the event
[00:46:08] We're driving back down and I was just I was smoked I was just smoked from just the day the travel
[00:46:14] I didn't sleep at all that night in the hotel
[00:46:19] I was having a lot of headaches and and just issues so anytime I go out and I do have a couple days of shooting
[00:46:26] At the time I will get really sick. I get headaches I would throw up
[00:46:31] Just being around the concussion of just the rifles and shooting a lot and I remember
[00:46:35] We got done with it. We're driving back down
[00:46:38] When I I had two never saddle shirts. I gave you one to give to echo and I gave them to you
[00:46:44] And I said hey
[00:46:46] If there's anything I can help you guys out with echelon front of my kids
[00:46:51] There's any gigs and I was like I just want you to know like I'm all in like anything I can do
[00:46:56] Like I can't keep doing what I'm doing right now. I was like and I know you you said it was like is there anything like
[00:47:03] The VA like you were like concerned because you knew like I was having some issues with with my brain and
[00:47:08] Just my ability to focus and headaches and and sleeping and and stuff like that and
[00:47:14] I remember that was like kind of the first time I had kind of it was was vulnerable with you and shared with you like
[00:47:20] I can't keep doing what I'm doing like if I could do something with you like this is what I want to do and you're okay
[00:47:25] Roger that which I respected because
[00:47:27] You've always since day one you and life of always
[00:47:32] Error on the side of not over promising anything like
[00:47:35] Just being very
[00:47:37] Transparent and almost underselling stuff like just completely underselling stuff
[00:47:42] Which I've always respected. I've always loved that and that's one of the things when we were growing
[00:47:48] The field training exercise team the experiential leadership training that we that we run national in front
[00:47:54] I've done that with the team like I did that with Cody. I did that with Kawi. I was
[00:47:59] Very blunt and say hey, this can all go away tomorrow
[00:48:02] We could have no training tomorrow like you need to understand that nothing is guaranteed even when we do the training
[00:48:09] It's still not guaranteed until we get paid by the client and I that was what you and life
[00:48:14] Had always told me from day one life and I had a lot of conversations about that as well at the beginning
[00:48:19] He just wanted to make sure
[00:48:22] There was no
[00:48:24] I guess false expectations on my end and I and I respect that and I love that and so I go back to San Diego the next day. I'm sorry
[00:48:33] I go back to Mississippi the next day and then I get a call from
[00:48:38] From Jamie again and she said hey life student event and Fort Worth
[00:48:42] You know, would you be able to join? I get it like absolutely yes and I told him like hey anything that I can join
[00:48:49] Jock on life like I'm available just if you can just give me more than like a next day travel heads up like we're good to go
[00:48:56] You know, she was she's been so amazing from the get go and so helpful
[00:49:01] And I've learned I mean I could do a whole podcast on what I've learned working with Jamie Cochran because she's just amazing human amazing
[00:49:09] Remember of the team and I've learned a lot from her over the last four years and
[00:49:14] And so she's like okay here's the dates. You know, I'm gonna book your flight and everything else like that
[00:49:18] and hey you're gonna meet up with life and
[00:49:22] And Mary she said well you can like wait till link up with life
[00:49:26] Meet up with the hotel or you guys can get like car service together and again. It was that like
[00:49:32] Man, I don't I don't have the money for car service or an Uber
[00:49:38] From DFW to Fort Worth is like this at the it's funny because I live there now and then I
[00:49:43] I thought this is a big long trip and everything and and Mary she's like, I'll just get you know
[00:49:49] It's the easier if I just get car service for you. I was like yes
[00:49:54] And so I linked up with life
[00:49:57] We went out to dinner that night and
[00:50:00] Then we're at the hotel and I just thought it was so awesome. He's like hey, let's lose to rehearse everything for tomorrow
[00:50:05] Even though I wasn't helping present I was just gonna watch him present and then he was gonna pull me up for Q&A
[00:50:11] But he wanted to rehearse everything with me and I thought that was great and
[00:50:16] You know I brought a suit out there because they said hey, do you have a suit?
[00:50:20] I said yeah, I was doing sales on a financial company. I have some suits and so I I brought a suit out there and
[00:50:28] You know watch life and I recorded it on my phone
[00:50:31] You know I did the audio recording little voice recording thing on your phone of him of him giving the keynote
[00:50:36] He had given me the keynote deck. I put on my computer and so we were just kind of like rehearsing talking through it together
[00:50:43] He pulled me up on stage. We did Q&A and
[00:50:46] You know, I just remember
[00:50:49] I was so excited to be up on on the stage in front of all these people with a lathe. I'm wearing a suit and
[00:50:55] It just it was just I felt like
[00:50:58] I was making some progress from my situation
[00:51:01] Even though like financially there had been no difference like I was starting to see the change in my mind in my mindset like my attitude
[00:51:09] The way I was thinking of things and
[00:51:12] I remember this guy asked her question you said hey, what's the best?
[00:51:16] Counter sniper rifle what's the best rifle to counter another sniper and what do you think my answer is my answer is?
[00:51:23] Well, 300 win Mac because I played some cat mouth games with some enemy snipers and I didn't work out well for them
[00:51:28] And I'm just going back to straight like that and life goes
[00:51:33] Actually and I answer it. I'm like
[00:51:36] Cool because they wanted to hear about what type of rifle that I shot and
[00:51:42] Life goes actually the best
[00:51:45] Weapon to counter an enemy sniper is an M1 Abram tank
[00:51:49] He goes those soldiers came to our aid every single time we need to do that if
[00:51:54] If if we were having issues with enemy fighters we'd call him for tank support they would come in and they would handle that
[00:52:00] And that was like a major aha moment for me of
[00:52:05] This isn't about what we did in task unit bruiser
[00:52:09] It's about what we did as Americans fighting together soldiers Marines and sailors working together
[00:52:14] And I remember like I wasn't embarrassed that he corrected me
[00:52:18] But it was a noted
[00:52:20] This is not about what I did as a sniper and I felt embarrassed that I gave that answer
[00:52:27] About what I did and it was just it was a very humbling moment and then so we we get down with the event
[00:52:34] And I just I remember sitting there just watching people line up to like take pictures of the lathe and him sign the book
[00:52:40] And I was like man, this is so cool. I'm like hey, you guys need me take pictures. I'm really good at taking pictures
[00:52:46] Don't worry. I'm coming for you. Okay, I'm really good at taking pictures
[00:52:49] And so and so we do that event. We go and we grab some we grab some food
[00:52:56] Go back to airport and
[00:53:00] We saragabies and he gave me a he gave he gives me a check
[00:53:04] This war and he's like this is for work and you know this is you know what we did today
[00:53:10] This is a percentage of it and you know like that's that's how it works like you do events like you get a percentage
[00:53:15] He goes obviously jocquanir gonna get paid much more than you are I laugh like oh you think
[00:53:22] But he's like hey, you know
[00:53:23] He's like you did solid with the Q&A and I appreciate you being here and he goes anytime we can
[00:53:28] Do stuff with another instructor. It's always gonna be better than just someone by themselves
[00:53:33] I look at the check. I'm like
[00:53:36] Damn it like this is awkward like I just didn't feel like I deserved that the
[00:53:40] And I and I and I told him that he's like no, you know he's like your time is valuable
[00:53:45] And that was another really important thing that I learned was he said your time is valuable and that's when I started to
[00:53:55] Again
[00:53:56] Really start to value
[00:53:58] Who I was and my time and what it's worth
[00:54:01] Because for while I didn't value my time
[00:54:04] I didn't you know I think now like people that now I get is some of it's fun like like oh
[00:54:09] Black Friday specials like the camp overnight to like get the TV that they're saving 50 dollars on like people
[00:54:16] Oh, but I saved my but you spent 23 hours sleeping on a curb outside of the best buy to save
[00:54:24] $50 like that's what your time is worth that's what you know
[00:54:27] And so I remember when he said your time is valuable
[00:54:30] That was and I needed to hear that I knew that but I just I needed to hear that from somebody that I really looked up to
[00:54:36] Life and I went through SQT together. I've always looked up to him as a leader. I know how intelligent
[00:54:42] And he's brilliant. He's very smart right him and Seth were those leaders in SQT and Andrew Paul as well that I was like they're all like super smart
[00:54:50] I'm like
[00:54:51] Cool got my house cool to poem
[00:54:53] But I just have always looked up to life and I know life also
[00:54:58] Doesn't be yes
[00:54:59] Life isn't gonna say something that he doesn't believe or
[00:55:03] Think is true and so when he said your time is valuable
[00:55:05] I
[00:55:06] Said yeah on the inside I'm like okay, it is it is valuable and so I'm sitting at the airport
[00:55:11] I'm sitting at the dials Fort Worth Airport and fly back to Mississippi and this guy's like looking at me
[00:55:16] And I'm always scanning like we always are and I'm always looking around and like he's just looking at me
[00:55:21] You know like a smile kind of give a head nod and
[00:55:25] I'm still and so
[00:55:29] Like he gets up and I'm like I'm gonna keep my own him and
[00:55:31] And I see him on his phone and he's like looking at me he's on his phone look and he comes up
[00:55:38] He's at this point. He's got a big smile. I'm like okay not not a threat
[00:55:41] And the other thing like man, I don't want to do this at the airport because then I'm never gonna be able to fly
[00:55:45] I can't if I have to defend myself in the airport
[00:55:48] It's probably gonna be bad the guy has big old smile and he's like hey, are you?
[00:55:51] Are you JP to know? I said yes sir. He's like man. I thought so he's like I was just watching you on jocopod gas his name is Stan
[00:55:57] And super nice guy. I'm like oh, that's great. And so we connect
[00:56:01] Because I can't I love to get you he's like are you part of echelon front now? I said yes sir
[00:56:05] He said awesome man. He's like maybe I can get you to come out and talk with our company
[00:56:09] I'm like yeah, we can absolutely do that
[00:56:11] I'm just like yes
[00:56:12] Come on you want to get tomorrow
[00:56:14] Like where are you guys located and we changed my flight?
[00:56:18] He was flying back to Mississippi with me. Oh, we're good. Yeah, we're good. He's down in two below and
[00:56:22] And and so we we fly back and you know, talk to him a little bit after the flight and then we we kind of cut out
[00:56:30] And it was again back to same thing go home change out
[00:56:35] Working construction and then at the time
[00:56:38] My buddy Jared White he he had already built me at this an amazing rifle
[00:56:44] It's an ARSR platform and it's probably one of the best air platform guns I've ever shot
[00:56:50] He is amazing at what he does and he's like hey man. He's like I have I have a long-range rifle
[00:56:56] I want to give to you as a gift
[00:56:58] Is it what he's like yeah, I was like okay, and so I come up and I go
[00:57:05] I meet up with him. He's also the national area
[00:57:08] Dalant like confirm the dope on this gun. I mean it is a made it's the same gun that I shot in the go time series for for origin in Jakofio
[00:57:16] And so I confirm the dope on it go out to 300 confirm go to 500 like Dalin the dope he says that I should be having
[00:57:25] And there's these five targets and I shoot from
[00:57:28] Left to right and it's getting smaller each target as you're going down on my boom
[00:57:33] Like working my way last one
[00:57:35] I like I pause guys. I see the wind kind of picking up a little bit
[00:57:40] And it wasn't just a win like in front of the target, but like I'm like looking at the wind the whole way down there
[00:57:45] So I just hold off the right edge of the target boom, ding center mask and the and he's like man
[00:57:51] That's nice and the guy next to
[00:57:53] It's guy gets pissed off. He's like I've been trying to shoot that target for two months and I have never hit it
[00:58:00] It was a two and a half inch target at 500 yards and I'm boom dead center
[00:58:05] That is a half minute of angle gun that he built for me. I mean it is and this is or shoot in
[00:58:10] Factory off the shelf ammo that you can buy it for many where 6.5 Creedmore
[00:58:14] Beautiful weapon
[00:58:16] So I'm like man, this is amazing so we shoot a little bit more well he doesn't tell the guy
[00:58:20] Like my background like in the guy was like the suit first time shooting this guy on my guy
[00:58:24] You just you know and so we hang out
[00:58:26] We go grab some food on my command kind of get you some like can we get launch or whatever? It's a gas we go grab some food
[00:58:32] And I'm again super tight, but I'm like and like he just built me this amazing
[00:58:37] I'm gonna use biom lunch and I'm like trying calculate gas money to get back and everything as well
[00:58:42] And yeah, I know he's always done construction and he was talking me about some jobs and I said hey
[00:58:48] If you ever need help with any of your jobs
[00:58:51] I would love to work with you. I love construction. I love working with my hands
[00:58:54] I was like and I could use the work if if you need it
[00:58:58] He said okay. Yeah, man. I appreciate it and I like I drive back and I think I followed up with them
[00:59:03] I said man thanks again. This gun is amazing. This is like ridiculous
[00:59:07] I was like I owe you big time. He's like no man. You know only anything. He's I just really appreciate your service and he's like it's you know
[00:59:13] You deserve to have a you're a bad ass sniper that should have a bad ass sniper rifle. I'm like well I'm not a bad ass sniper
[00:59:19] But I appreciate the bad ass sniper rifle and he hits me up and he's like hey, you know
[00:59:26] Do you still want to work construction with me? He was like I could do something we could do something on Wednesday
[00:59:31] Thursday Friday
[00:59:33] I said yeah absolutely
[00:59:35] And so we start that and tour and this is I'm still like I'm doing my brief like every day
[00:59:41] I am rehearsing my echelon front keynote
[00:59:47] Legitimately at this time 46 hours a day like Amanda like I'd be in my office
[00:59:52] I'd be in I would pick different locations in our house in a Mississippi when we got back together
[00:59:58] We were in a two bedroom house that was
[01:00:01] I mean this probably the square footage of this podcast recording room and the locker room next to us
[01:00:06] That was about the size of the whole house two bedrooms
[01:00:09] You know we had no kitchen because that I mean we had a kitchen we had no dining room area because that's where the office was
[01:00:15] We would eat in the living room on TV trays like you know that was where we'd have our family dinner
[01:00:21] Like we didn't actually sit at a table and less we went over to our in-laws and so
[01:00:26] I would be practicing my keynote 46 hours a day Legitimately like going through it listening to lace
[01:00:34] Keynote clicking along like making it my own kind of doing some tweaks talking with you in life here and there
[01:00:40] And then
[01:00:41] This opportunity for me to start working with my buddy Jared I said yeah absolutely
[01:00:45] So I would wake up at three in the morning on Wednesday and I would drive up to to Nashville from from South
[01:00:53] Haven Mississippi where we live well there's like a three three and a half hour drive. I'll guess what?
[01:00:58] That was three repetitions through the keynote
[01:01:00] So I would be driving I'd have my laptop
[01:01:03] Add an angle so I'd put my backpack in front of the passenger seat. I put my laptop at an angle
[01:01:10] And I had the clicker and while I was driving I would list I was playing life
[01:01:16] Audio of the keynote while I was clicking through and watching the slides
[01:01:20] As I'm driving and just kind of listening and getting like the flow down and I would do that and I would
[01:01:28] I would
[01:01:30] Get up there. I'd work construction with him and then I he had a a bed up in his attic that I would crash in and so I'd crash there
[01:01:37] We'd get down with the dad do another like two hours of rehearsing. I'd wake up a few hours early
[01:01:43] I would do a few hours of rehearsing in the morning go work construction with him and I would do this
[01:01:48] Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Friday. I would drive back and then I would spend some time with the man in the kids
[01:01:54] Well my buddy Lee opened up a mark was pizza in South tape him
[01:01:58] We used to work at the financial company together he invested in the franchise and
[01:02:03] So of course, man and I were supporting him were there. We're like, oh, this is awesome the kids like this pizza's really good
[01:02:08] I'm like yeah, this is awesome. I'm like hey, Lee this is great. I'm super proud of you this is awesome
[01:02:13] I said hey if you ever need help like with drivers
[01:02:17] Let me know he's like oh man you don't want to be doing that. I'm like no, it's fine
[01:02:20] I was like if you ever need help just let me know like I would love to help you
[01:02:25] And he kind of like we went back and forth and I found I was like hey
[01:02:29] If you need some help with a driver
[01:02:32] I would like to be a delivery driver for you. He's like oh
[01:02:36] Hey, man, yeah, I could actually I could actually use a good reliable like driver that would be great
[01:02:42] And I'm like okay cool man. I had like the absolute probably nicest vehicle of any delivery driver at the time
[01:02:48] I was my 2015 Toyota Tondra that would lift it
[01:02:51] And I
[01:02:52] Was awesome so I would do the construction with Jared Wednesday Thursday Friday doing the rehearsals in the morning rehearsals in the evening
[01:02:59] When I drive back on Friday
[01:03:01] It was another three hours of doing the rehearsals through the keynote
[01:03:05] I would see a man in the kids that she usually be over at her parents at this time
[01:03:09] I would go back home
[01:03:11] I would take a quick shower. I would throw my polo throw my marcos pizza hat
[01:03:16] I would go in I'd clock in and I would deliver pizzas until midnight and then after midnight
[01:03:23] Most drivers would leave and I was like hey, I can help close out the
[01:03:27] The store because I needed that extra hour of minimum wage because that extra 625
[01:03:33] Was I was like I will take anything and everything I can at this moment
[01:03:37] And so I would that's what I would do I would deliver pizzas on the weekend and then I would be I would come home from delivering pizzas around
[01:03:45] 130 tuition in the morning by time we got done cleaning up the kitchen and I would get online and see if anybody ordered any never settle
[01:03:54] T-shirts and
[01:03:55] Because we had talked about on the podcast there's a good amount of orders that started to come through
[01:04:00] And so I would fulfill orders until three or four in the morning and I would crawl into bed with a man the kids and
[01:04:06] She would wake me up like when the kids would get up she would get me a cup of coffee and I would that's why I would spend some time with them
[01:04:13] On Saturday and Sunday we go to church and I would you know do the same thing in the evenings and yeah, I was doing construction
[01:04:20] My landlord had some fences that he needed repaired on some of his rent also
[01:04:24] I would go do that and I would exchange him rent instead of paying rent. I remember one time I and this was at the very beginning
[01:04:31] I am and Jamie's like hey you have a gig that's gonna be in March
[01:04:35] You know the client wants to do a pre-avent call with you. I'm like okay awesome and so I I was sitting
[01:04:41] I I stopped doing some fixing fences at this person's house
[01:04:46] I went and sat in the car and I did my pre-avent call with the client
[01:04:50] Got down with it took all my notes took a picture of it emailed it to myself
[01:04:54] So I could have like an email copy the photo copy at the digital copy of the notes of my phone
[01:04:59] I had everything and went back and finished
[01:05:03] Repairing these fences so I could exchange
[01:05:07] rent for a couple months with the landlord and
[01:05:11] Yeah, I was doing everything everything I could and then
[01:05:15] You were Jamie reach out and said hey, Jocco is gonna be doing a thing in Nashville how far away is that from you?
[01:05:20] I said well I'm gonna be right up there. I'm actually helping a buddy and so I reached out to my buddy and
[01:05:26] Jaren I said hey, you know I believe it was like hey next week
[01:05:31] Do you mind if I take a day off like could I miss out on Thursday?
[01:05:34] And he said yeah absolutely what's going on? I said well Jocco's doing an event. I'm gonna be yeah
[01:05:39] I need to go with him and he said yeah, I do
[01:05:41] He's a big fan of yours listens to podcasts and
[01:05:45] And he was like yeah anything you need but me know and so I was working construction with him
[01:05:50] God done with my day
[01:05:52] Came met up with you at the hotel we did our rehearsals which were
[01:05:58] Austin seeing you do their rehearsals and then you were trying to like have me do rehearsals and I was just
[01:06:02] The whole big brother effect like I couldn't even like talk in front of Jocco in the room. I just
[01:06:07] Yeah, it was too much
[01:06:09] So we go do the event and I remember
[01:06:14] I thought I was gonna be early and I texted you and I said hey
[01:06:17] Headed that way where do you want to meet like I'm think I'm a cool. I'll be a little early
[01:06:24] And you said I'm sitting in the front the one of the front tables already
[01:06:28] Okay, Jocco gets there really early
[01:06:32] And so I remember that was the major lesson for me from that little interaction was
[01:06:38] Anytime you're doing something with a client
[01:06:40] It's about an hour ahead of time and
[01:06:43] You explained to me the reason why is because you have to go through all the different you know
[01:06:47] You want to make sure that everything's loaded properly and I didn't know that you'd been down that there that early
[01:06:52] I'm like okay
[01:06:53] So I go I said the same thing I record your keynote and
[01:06:58] It was on the dot to the hour like
[01:07:03] Our hit right as you were doing you're closing like thank you slide
[01:07:08] That's depressing
[01:07:10] And you knew it and you knew it and so you come off stage and the guy goes up on stage. He's like man
[01:07:17] Must be a Navy seal thing
[01:07:19] 60 minutes on the dot and everyone's like oh
[01:07:22] Like just you know plotting and you know it was it was a really cool
[01:07:26] And I remember you said you're like man when you hit that mark when you hit the mark within a minute
[01:07:31] It's like you come in down on a free fall jump and you hit the X on the drop zone
[01:07:36] Like it feels so good you just hit that and I was like okay timing you know
[01:07:41] I just I'm taking all these like notes as I'm interacting with you and life and listening and I'm like okay timing like that's
[01:07:46] Obviously very important for what we're doing and and so I
[01:07:53] We go to a breakout and
[01:07:55] They wanted you to do another little breakout training and
[01:07:59] I asked you I'm like well, what are you gonna do you're like?
[01:08:01] I'm just gonna open up and talk and like oh okay you're like but I have slides
[01:08:05] In case nobody is talking interacting that I can talk through that will get engagement and if not then I'm just getting
[01:08:12] I'm gonna give another brief on some other things that I think are as important for their business
[01:08:15] So that right there is a primary plan secondary internship
[01:08:19] Yep 100% and these are all the things that I'm like in my mind like relating back to military
[01:08:25] And it was cool because I was seeing like the change in my mindset like I could feel it
[01:08:30] I was excited I was engaged. I felt like I was planning operations like we did in a
[01:08:35] Remoddy I felt like it was just I was having that sense of fulfillment again
[01:08:40] And that's what a lot of people struggle with and you and I have talked about this a lot and I know life and I have talked about this a lot
[01:08:48] Veterans and first responders and law enforcement officers and firefighters and EMS
[01:08:55] They struggle when they don't have that sense of purpose anymore and if you want to take it out
[01:09:00] Like you said it's humans in general. Look at college athletes, right? They think they're gonna go to the professionals and then they don't
[01:09:08] And what do they do?
[01:09:10] It's like one or the other they either thrive in a civilian world and they find a job with a purpose and they can do all that drive and they're hard
[01:09:18] All the hard work ethics that they had to bring them to that high level college athlete level or
[01:09:23] They just everything falls apart and there is like they're like Napoleon Dynamite uncle who's talking about
[01:09:28] Hey, if coach would have put me in we would have won. It's like
[01:09:31] Okay, cool. Yeah, probably not did and so I just remember this this change in my mindset starting to happen
[01:09:39] When I was just around it again, and I was thinking of like this is what I need to be doing and so I do that day with you
[01:09:46] And you brought me up to interact and and provide
[01:09:51] You know some
[01:09:52] Responses and answers to different questions that were coming about and I remember I felt really comfortable up there
[01:09:58] Like I wasn't nervous like when I was sitting in the hotel room with you like just trying to go through the slides
[01:10:03] I was you know, it was horrible
[01:10:06] I wish we would have like video footage of some of that because that would be a awesome
[01:10:11] I also we had that too because
[01:10:14] And now this is like the big joke at echelon front that everybody when they have to brief me sucks
[01:10:19] It's a disaster and it's like they freak out and then everyone's awesome and and actually
[01:10:24] You know when you spoke at the master for the first time you're we went through the rehearsal
[01:10:30] And it was just a total disaster and you and see I had work with you a trade at and so I'd seen you briefed on a ton and I knew what you're gonna do
[01:10:38] But you walked out of the room and life is like bro
[01:10:41] So I'll do it. I don't know and I go he'll help knock this thing out. He's gonna crush this thing
[01:10:46] I go he just freaks out in front of me and he's like Roger that
[01:10:48] You see I said you know we'll do it the other thing that sucks about this whole thing is
[01:10:56] You know you were going through like again. I just need I just have to point this out because it's such a good leadership lesson to learn
[01:11:03] For me and for everybody you're going through like these real struggles of
[01:11:07] Driving all this way working construction or for delivering freaking pizza you're doing all that and I don't know it
[01:11:14] I think you're teaching you like you know you're in Mississippi. I'm in California look yeah you you you you
[01:11:20] You teach you to I know you and people pay you to teach you and I'm like okay cool you know
[01:11:23] He's gonna do that. I'm not even it's not even entering my mind
[01:11:27] That you have a freaking pizza hat on and you're delivering pizza. That's not even entering my mind
[01:11:32] You never said a word about it and I didn't I didn't dig enough
[01:11:37] To be like hey bro
[01:11:39] How is this work and how is everything going you know and that's totally my fault for not
[01:11:45] Understanding and not doing enough research and
[01:11:49] Not having a good enough relationship with you where you'd be like bro you know what I
[01:11:54] I'm gonna have trouble paying rent
[01:11:57] This month like if I would have known that I would have been like oh cool no actually you're gonna have no trouble playing month
[01:12:02] Rent ever again here watch this game over done and
[01:12:06] Yeah, so that sucks and the weird thing is I'm trying to think like what puts you into this mindset and then what I
[01:12:14] Realize what puts you into this mindset is there's a lot of people that
[01:12:18] They they read extreme ownership or they come to the master or they they listen to the podcast and what they think is
[01:12:25] Yeah, you know, I wish that person would have ownership and I wish this person would act that way and they start
[01:12:29] They start thinking about how everyone else should take ownership and so in this process where I would love for you to say to me
[01:12:39] Hey, hey, Jocco I need a little bit of like to make ends meet and and give me a stable base right now
[01:12:46] Can you help me out what I would love to say that I would love to have had you say that to me
[01:12:50] What you're thinking is this is my fault. I'm gonna fix it and it was 100% my fault
[01:12:56] 100% and I was on the path of fixing it
[01:13:00] Because of good opportunities that I had from my buddy Jared my buddy Steve, you know, that I was teaching shooting
[01:13:07] You know, I was I was
[01:13:09] Doing construction lead allowing me to come deliver pizzas like these were great opportunities that I had and I was in my landlord
[01:13:17] willing to trade oh you want to you want to replace some fences and and do some maintenance on on some of the properties like to trade out rent
[01:13:24] Okay, like these are opportunities that were actually helping and then fulfilling
[01:13:29] Online t-shirt orders these were all things that were making ends meet that
[01:13:35] I'm
[01:13:37] Like I don't think
[01:13:39] If I would have come to you and said hey, I'm how and you're like hey don't worry about this
[01:13:43] I don't think that would have made the situation better honestly
[01:13:46] I don't because I don't think that makes any situation better for anybody
[01:13:50] It's you have to grind you have to work through these things and if you allowed yourself to get in a situation
[01:13:56] You have to get yourself out of the situation
[01:13:58] You absolutely have to get yourself out of the situation. I understand what you're saying from a leadership standpoint
[01:14:04] I get that a hundred percent but
[01:14:07] This was something that I had to get myself out of because
[01:14:11] It doesn't you can't achieve success for somebody else
[01:14:15] They have to do it themselves. They have to actually want to do it themselves
[01:14:18] Yeah, and you know what I don't want to do is make people think hey
[01:14:24] JP sucked it up and I'm gonna suck it up to and and as I was just thinking through this
[01:14:29] You look you are in a really bad spot, but you actually
[01:14:34] Your head we still above water right it was tough you were treading water hard
[01:14:38] but
[01:14:40] If it got to a point I would hope that if it got to a point where
[01:14:43] You know you are gonna be homeless or whatever you would have been like hey a jocco
[01:14:50] Here's what's going on man and I would have been like hey Roger that and you would probably said listen
[01:14:54] I need to I need to I need to loan I need money right now and I'll pay you back or whatever, but right now
[01:14:58] This is what I'm at and so so maybe it's the fact that
[01:15:03] as
[01:15:04] Low as you got you didn't quite get to a point where you were drowning and as long as you weren't drowning
[01:15:11] You're like hey, I'm gonna figure this out. Yes, I still I'm telling you I still wouldn't have come to you and asked for that
[01:15:18] Because I don't think that's a right answer. I put in actually a thing at lows to do loss prevention
[01:15:25] Right and I guess I wasn't qualified enough
[01:15:28] Because I didn't get the job at lows to do loss prevention and I knew you know what the other thing I could have done
[01:15:33] That I actually had talked to a man about was like hey once you and a man you want to you and the kids go to sleep
[01:15:39] I can go restock the shelves at Walmart. I do go do that for four or five hours every single night
[01:15:45] Get a cup, you know, I could get enough sleep throughout the day to make those things happen and these were legitimate
[01:15:50] Conversations that we had that I could do the other thing is you know
[01:15:54] I and I was looking to get back into the military for a while
[01:15:56] That's one of the times I actually called you actually I sent you a tweet and I said hey give me a call and you're like
[01:16:02] Why didn't you just text me? I said well
[01:16:04] Because I know if you saw that you give me a call and people would say why is he saying give me a call and they would
[01:16:10] Like sway some social media followers when you come see what I was doing
[01:16:15] But I was actually trying to get back and this is before all this was trying to get back in the military for a while
[01:16:20] There's a I had enough options. I had there's there's plenty of options for me to go out
[01:16:24] I'm saying you didn't act you weren't actually drowning no, you know, but what I'm saying is if if there's someone listening right now
[01:16:31] That's like drowning then you ask then you have to ask for help and you know what man
[01:16:36] I have had friends mutual friends of ours people that we know
[01:16:40] People that you don't know that I mean, you know whatever
[01:16:42] I've had plenty of friends that have come to me and been like hey man
[01:16:46] This is what's going on and and I need some help and I've been like Roger
[01:16:49] You know that's what I talked about when I opened this up like I've had plenty of people come to me and say
[01:16:53] This is what's going on. I need help and I've said Roger that what do you need? I mean
[01:16:58] Dude, I had Seth Seth was Seth was freaking buying a house and he was like hey
[01:17:05] Whatever 38 thousand dollars short and then I also need money in my bank account to show that I have the reserves and
[01:17:13] All was like cool come pick up a check like done no no questions asked not not like what's the payment?
[01:17:19] Plans like no done done deal. Yeah, done deal no factor and
[01:17:24] You know that I think that's
[01:17:26] I just want to make sure people aren't thinking like hey
[01:17:29] Just don't ever come ask for help if you're
[01:17:33] If you're trading water and you're above water and you can still make some progress
[01:17:37] Awesome. Yes. I told Lee agree figure it out
[01:17:40] But if you're gonna drown
[01:17:42] You need you need to put your hand up and you need to ask for help
[01:17:45] That's what you need to do that that's what your friends are there for yeah. No, I
[01:17:49] I understand what you're saying and I definitely could have
[01:17:53] Rews out I didn't feel that I needed you like you said I wasn't drowning and I have no problem
[01:18:01] Doing whatever I have to do to make ends meet and I will like I mean there was one time just in the neighborhood like
[01:18:08] I just had the idea and so what I did is I
[01:18:12] Asked people if they wanted their addresses spray painted on the curb and from their mailbox so is easy to identify
[01:18:19] And I went around doing that
[01:18:21] And yeah, I mean I get to get the template do the white paint down that kind of dry put the template over it
[01:18:28] Spray paint their address. That was easy boom quit cash would go around and I would do that sometime how much was you charged for that?
[01:18:34] $25 check
[01:18:36] Yeah
[01:18:37] Go do it enough for those you know here you're okay, but you know what does it take 15 minutes?
[01:18:43] Maybe yeah, so you're talking to Hunter bucks an hour maybe yeah, maybe 15
[01:18:47] Now the first couple of times it was like I need to actually process
[01:18:53] So that was you know at the very beginning like you said you didn't know and then Jamie says hey
[01:18:59] December 15 December 14th we you're gonna have your first gig you're gonna be doing a keynote
[01:19:04] It's 110 people
[01:19:08] It's their company. It's safety stand down
[01:19:11] um and
[01:19:16] It's like okay cool and it's gonna be in an auditorium and
[01:19:19] and
[01:19:22] So I was I was excited about that, but you know little nervous like okay
[01:19:26] What am I gonna be doing for this first time and yeah, I was again practicing my keynote at this time about
[01:19:32] Six to seven sometimes eight hours a day any free moment I had if I had a free hour I was doing it
[01:19:37] I was I was doing the like the keynote just listening to your video
[01:19:42] Listen to life's audio. I'd go back and forth between the two audios. I had my brief put together and then I started to to make it my own right and
[01:19:52] I remember the first time that I had to it was over Skype. I was gonna give the presentation to you in life
[01:19:58] Amanda was like okay her and the kids were gonna be gone. I stacked up all this stuff in my living room
[01:20:04] To the computer would be I level took everything off the walls behind me. I had my clicker had everything and we did the keynote
[01:20:13] I did it for you guys. I was like right at the at the hour mark so I was like excited that I had hit that time
[01:20:19] and then we did Q&A and I remember
[01:20:23] It was I was proud of myself when when life said
[01:20:28] JP you've obviously done a good amount of prep for this that was a good job now. We'll just do some mock Q&A and
[01:20:36] Like that was the feedback that I got for me guys
[01:20:39] Because I had I don't even know how many hours of this presentation I had worked through I mean
[01:20:44] There's a lay-flist thinking you did like three hours of practice, but you did three thousand
[01:20:49] Close to it, you know, I mean
[01:20:51] I mean
[01:20:52] hundreds of hours
[01:20:53] Legitimately of just planning and and just going through it and just making sure that I knew and I would I would make it to where like
[01:21:01] Even like if I didn't I I wanted to be able to do it to where I if I couldn't see the advanced slide like I would practice different ways
[01:21:08] Where the computer was behind me like representing the screen and I would I would I would do that and I would get into my little rhythm of like
[01:21:15] Hey, as you can see to make sure I was still on the right slide
[01:21:18] Practice using reflections off of like pictures or mirrors and stuff to see where I was at on stuff behind me
[01:21:25] Just try to put myself in bad situations so that I could go through it and then I did that that first keynote
[01:21:34] It was in Denver Colorado and you know, it was also this is in December December 14th
[01:21:39] So it was October November December so so that those were like you struggled in through and then finally here comes your first gig
[01:21:47] Get my first gig
[01:21:49] I remember when I got there like I took a picture of all the line up because there's their safety stand-down thing
[01:21:55] And so that all these other speakers there and every other one of them was like doctor doctor PhD doctor
[01:22:02] Like all this less than JP to know
[01:22:05] Like what is JP what's a JP what's JP stand for
[01:22:11] And I remember I sent you that picture to you in life and
[01:22:15] And
[01:22:17] Your response was something along the lungs of better get used to that and I was just awesome, you know
[01:22:22] And then so I go down there there's a break before I talk I get my computer set up
[01:22:26] I have my water have like everything kind of like set up for me
[01:22:30] About halfway through the audio like the the sound goes out in this place microphone goes out. I'm like okay
[01:22:35] Well, it was an auditorium sound like cool just project
[01:22:39] Well, I just remember like
[01:22:42] Everyone like being on their phones while I'm talking and I'm
[01:22:45] Like oh my gosh like this I suck like I suck and then it clicked
[01:22:51] They would get on their phones every time I clicked the next slide so that they could take notes
[01:22:57] You remember like people are using their phones are using technology people are taking pictures
[01:23:00] They're typing in the notes and then when they done they would put their phone away and it was just that that moment of like fear
[01:23:06] And then it like I was able to put it together
[01:23:10] God done
[01:23:12] Give the keynote
[01:23:13] Went and had lunch with the buddy
[01:23:16] The company requested like hey if you can hang out we'd like to have like cab dinner
[01:23:21] So I went back met up with them and then the next day I flew back and
[01:23:27] Yeah, had nothing for December the rest of December and then my next gig was in was in January
[01:23:33] And so I was going down key west Florida. I'm like this is awesome. So go down there
[01:23:38] Fly down to key west or it flight down to one of the airports and then it was like an hour and a half
[01:23:44] Uber ride down to where I was going to be at
[01:23:49] Went to the event was kind of doing my research like wanted to find the room that we're gonna be talking in
[01:23:55] And I use my credit card to Jimmy open the door because there was like
[01:24:00] You know order like hotel and QS Florida like easy to break into everything there so use my credit card get in
[01:24:07] I'd go into the check out the room that I'm gonna be speaking in there's nothing set up at all and I'm I don't think it will
[01:24:14] We start it like seven a.m
[01:24:17] And so I text upon a contact them and I said hey, there's like there's nothing set up in the room here
[01:24:23] Then the response was like I thought you were bringing everything and
[01:24:26] And so there's some major miscommunication there and I said well no
[01:24:32] I brought my computer and the adapters and the like the clicker
[01:24:39] Everything else is supposed to be on you guys and the guy who I was super nice
[01:24:43] He's like oh he had been who's I dinner with the group they had bought I've been drinking as he comes in
[01:24:49] I kind of showed him a room he's like
[01:24:51] So what do we need I'm like we need a screen a projector a power source and so we went down to the
[01:24:57] Front desk and like was talking somebody what's it like work work like 11 o'clock at this point in time
[01:25:03] And so we kind of told him like hey, this is what we need and they're like what we can't do anything like we start at seven
[01:25:08] And the guy in the guy said okay, we we've
[01:25:11] Rented out this many rooms for this many days like this needs to happen and the front desk lady was like okay
[01:25:16] Let me see what I can do. We're in found this guy that could help us out and we got everything set up that night
[01:25:20] And that was for me was like this
[01:25:22] Confirmation of why it's important to do your recon and why you should take the extra time
[01:25:28] Go check out the situation gain as much situation awareness as you can before you go into
[01:25:33] An environment and I'm glad that I did because if I we would have done it the next morning nothing would have been set up and so everything got set up
[01:25:40] I'm doing a half day workshop and
[01:25:42] It was like my second gig. I'm doing a half day workshop solo
[01:25:45] And I remember like trying to talk with you in life. I'm like how do you guys do work? She'll hop like what am I doing? You guys gave me the template
[01:25:52] we talked through it and
[01:25:56] Major lesson learned of a failure on my part is make sure you're watch sinks with the new time zone
[01:26:03] Because I'm like oh I'm on time. I'm good to go. Oh, you go from Mississippi to Florida
[01:26:08] There's an hour difference and
[01:26:10] I went over 47 minutes over my time that I supposed to have and I remember one of the guys like hey
[01:26:18] You can be getting done soon. I'm like yeah, you know we've got like
[01:26:21] 20 minutes. I'll be wrapping it up because you're supposed to be done 40 minutes ago
[01:26:26] What am I
[01:26:29] My watch didn't change time zones
[01:26:32] That's 100% my fault for not sinking that I'm like okay give me give me one minute and so I go
[01:26:39] I changed like my PowerPoint slides around. I just go straight to the closing and I just you know talk
[01:26:45] They were super cool. They were good with it. They were loving it, but you know
[01:26:48] It's a corporate retreat for them. So they had other stuff that they were supposed to be going through
[01:26:54] And I just I address the group and I said hey, you know what I completely failed on the time like this is what happened
[01:26:59] You know hey here's a recap of the day. We kind of talked through everything and I closed it out and it was good to go and
[01:27:04] And you know so I go and out and I said hey, you know, do you have
[01:27:11] confirmation of the car service that so send that he's like no it all and I'm like
[01:27:17] Okay, so I tried to call it in and
[01:27:20] Jamie to see and they weren't available and as I was a calm man. I'm like that's gonna be a really expensive Uber
[01:27:26] I don't know if I have it and so I got the Uber and it was like
[01:27:31] It was like a hundred and thirty dollar Uber to get back and I had like a hundred and forty dollars in that PayPal account
[01:27:38] And it was like okay cool go back well when I'm flying back. It's Amanda and I is anniversary
[01:27:43] And it was it was snowing in Mississippi when I get back and so we spend a little bit of time together and
[01:27:50] I shoot Leah taxed my K
[01:27:54] Do you need a driver tonight my truck is full will drive he said it's isn't your anniversary I said
[01:27:59] Do you need a driver he said when can he be here and so I told him I said hey do you care if I
[01:28:07] Know it's our anniversary, but we need the money. I'm gonna go deliver pizza. She's like okay
[01:28:12] You know it's fully supportive of it and
[01:28:15] And so that was a super humbling moment when you do for I need to give Amanda more hugs next time I see her because she should be
[01:28:22] Hating me right now going
[01:28:24] You cheap people to make this money overseas. We would be soon right now. I can't believe this guys us
[01:28:31] Now
[01:28:32] I'm gonna give her a big old hug next time. I see your answer tell her thank you for putting up with me
[01:28:38] Because dang
[01:28:40] Yeah, so are my get to the conversation that we had very short like you Amanda and I had a conversation like I think it was the same month so
[01:28:47] We're in is this is beginning a January and so
[01:28:50] You know I go and I change out and you know she goes over to her parents to hang out and
[01:28:58] I
[01:28:58] Started delivering pizzas, you know and he put a he put a
[01:29:02] Social media post he said hey it was a picture of his truck and my truck in front of Marko's pizza
[01:29:07] He said
[01:29:09] You shouldn't be driving but we can let us something along those lines and we were I may I was delivering pizzas until one I am
[01:29:15] I mean we were non stop delivering pizzas and you know I was doing that for the tip money
[01:29:20] You know we need that extra tip and I would make
[01:29:22] You know about 300 dollars in tips, you know, I just I make good tip money. I was super polite and you know
[01:29:28] Franchalty to people but it was just I remember I was going up to this one house to deliver and it's just beautiful house in Mississippi
[01:29:35] Big old house
[01:29:37] and it was you know very wealthy
[01:29:41] Family I go up there and
[01:29:44] It was just this wreck like I recognized
[01:29:47] Like where I was still a lot because I was still on this like I'm JP to know with echelon front
[01:29:53] I was just in a nice suit and Kiwis Florida giving a leadership speech, you know
[01:29:58] I gave this workshop
[01:30:01] But you know what they don't know that nobody knows who I am because I'm wearing a
[01:30:06] Marko's pizza polo and a
[01:30:09] Hat delivering their pizza and I just remember it's like thinking like man
[01:30:12] I really need to make this work with echelon front like I really need to make sure I'm doing what I need to do and not just like
[01:30:20] Make it work like hey, I'm available for work like do you have opportunity like let me know what I need but I need to make a work like I need to be in the game
[01:30:26] I need to be leveling up and
[01:30:30] It was just and that's just kind of where it was at and so I don't I don't I had one other event that month in January and that was out in Philadelphia
[01:30:40] And that was again a great company learned a lot with them
[01:30:46] It was a half-day workshop. They sure my phone was synced and my watch was synced with the time zones and the schedule went well and you know
[01:30:54] I flew back and
[01:30:56] I don't I don't think I really had any thing and in February and so I was still same thing like I'm delivering pizzas
[01:31:02] I'm doing construction. I'm I'm doing whatever I can and during this time frame
[01:31:06] Has some opportunities to help teach shootings. So I'm doing that as well and
[01:31:12] You know March rolls around there's that's what I hear
[01:31:16] You'd be like hey, I'm gonna. I'm awesome man. Sounds like everything's going awesome. Yeah, me too
[01:31:21] Just like I thought I was a calm man. That's a kind of a cool deal. Yeah, absolutely so I go
[01:31:26] You know, I'm teaching I'm helping teach shooting on my birthday for a training company that was near the Memphis area
[01:31:33] and
[01:31:35] You know just hey I think I had like a few events. I think in March with echelon front
[01:31:42] A little bit in April. I was like one or two gigs, right? Well, this thing that I did in December in January
[01:31:48] None of those pay I didn't get paid for those until like April or May because well
[01:31:53] You don't get paid until echelon front gets paid and that's a principle in a concept that I know like why would they pay me if they haven't gotten paid?
[01:32:00] I
[01:32:00] You know I remember life like making sure I understood that he's like you can be out of my camera
[01:32:04] Go with that like I came from sales in a financial industry where that's what we did we actually helped
[01:32:10] People get paid before they got paid and so I understood it and I was good with it. I was doing all this other work and
[01:32:15] I remember one time I sent you a picture of I was I was working construction with Jared and it was
[01:32:21] Eight degrees outside like I took a screenshot of the temp and the
[01:32:26] And me doing this brick or we're doing some block work on this really nice house and
[01:32:31] Um, you said make sure you save that because you're not gonna be in that situation next year
[01:32:38] And I saved it and I saved that like that picture and
[01:32:42] So I was you know doing what I could and I met this
[01:32:47] I met these brothers at a shooting course that I did and they're like hey if you ever do like your own like we love to do is like in it like
[01:32:54] Just some
[01:32:55] Specific specialized training with you and I'm like okay cool and
[01:32:59] They followed up with me like hey let me know if you have anything and I I felt weird like doing my own thing considering
[01:33:05] I was helping my buddies do their thing that was kind of customized and I let my buddy know and he's like
[01:33:10] Dude if people are asking you to do stuff like you and if you're doing it through your company like whatever that's fine
[01:33:16] And so I put together this really high end
[01:33:20] shooting experience where it was a day of
[01:33:23] Pistol a day of rifle and a day of long range shooting and it was at this really nice house
[01:33:29] It Mississippi on 700 acres in this beautiful huge house like there's a
[01:33:35] Lake in front of the house like the sun rose. I mean it was an amazing experience and
[01:33:40] That was the first like high end type of thing that I did and
[01:33:45] Man it made a difference right and there's you know another company that you know asked me to kind of do like a
[01:33:51] Shooting day with their company for some team building and
[01:33:55] Like it was same situation where I was like man. I don't
[01:34:00] I don't know how I'm gonna make rent and it was a complete god thing because the guy hit me up he said hey
[01:34:05] I have a check for you. I want to make sure this gets paid to you before we do the training. I was like
[01:34:13] Okay, where are you at? I can meet you and I remember I drove to go meet with him and I looked at check at the bank
[01:34:20] And I'm like cool. I'm gonna go straight to that bank and cash it there and
[01:34:24] Like I went and I remember the bank was like oh there's gonna be like a
[01:34:27] $50 cashing fee
[01:34:30] I'm like $50 a cat. I'm like that's ridiculous and I'm like, yeah
[01:34:33] So I was kind of like talking through and I was like hey, I'm a small business
[01:34:37] Like this is like part of my business and like it's like oh wave at this time. I'm like thank you
[01:34:41] You know, I was like man you've taken $50 come on. I was you know small is a small community bank
[01:34:47] A Mississippi but anyways our Tennessee and so
[01:34:50] Get through all that time and it's just you know making ends meet a man in the kids are being so supportive and we had a conversation with you
[01:34:58] I remember we dropped off the kids at school and
[01:35:01] We were talking and we're driving in my tundra and we're we're headed to the gym and
[01:35:08] We're just kind of having this conversation where you you told a man who like hey
[01:35:12] When this picks up for J.P. He's gonna miss a lot of stuff
[01:35:18] He goes and you need to understand that he's probably not gonna be there for their preschool graduation
[01:35:23] He's probably not gonna be there for the kindergarten graduation
[01:35:26] He's gonna miss some birthdays. He's gonna miss the man in verse rees
[01:35:30] But if you guys are willing to just like
[01:35:33] Grow with us right now. He's like it's it's gonna be a solid three to five years before
[01:35:39] Any of us really take a break if that's what you want and I'm just like nod my hand
[01:35:44] I hear toss it at this point. I'm guessing that I started to see some kind of trajectory with the demand signal for you
[01:35:50] Yes, I started to see like hey, okay, this is because I knew where I was at which was mayhem
[01:35:56] Yes, and the more mayhem I have the more mayhem everyone else has yes
[01:36:00] You know, there's a little lag time behind it, but that's the way. Yeah, so this was so this was right before that
[01:36:06] This is right before I spoke at mustard zero zero two which was
[01:36:10] May of of 2017 and so
[01:36:14] There wasn't that get crazy demand for me, but you knew it was gonna be there because if people request in joccon life and that they can't afford joccon life
[01:36:22] They get JP to know
[01:36:24] and
[01:36:26] And you saw that kind of starting to happen and you just kind of set the expectations
[01:36:31] And Amanda was like I have no problem with this and you're like, okay, I just you know
[01:36:37] We want to make sure and then this is about the time that you guys brought on Dave Burke and deal to good deal Dave
[01:36:45] And we did our first event together in April
[01:36:48] oh
[01:36:50] I want to say April 26 or 27th somewhere in that time frame we did our first event together
[01:36:55] And it's cool because when we met up it was like it was weird we just gave each other like this big like this bro hug and I was like hey man
[01:37:01] It's like good to meet you and actually be working with you and he was like me just
[01:37:06] Beyond excited for the opportunity and that night we we sat and we went through the brief together
[01:37:12] We rehearsed it a couple times the next day. We woke up early. We knocked out a workout
[01:37:17] We rehearsed the brief you know a couple times and of what we're gonna be doing and it was funny because the client was like
[01:37:23] Oh, how long have you guys been working with each other and David and I kind of laughed and they like you know on and off, you know since 2006
[01:37:31] Mostly off like we do you know
[01:37:33] But the client you know just it was happy to have that David and I for this event
[01:37:37] We did this full day workshop and it was awesome and
[01:37:41] for me what I what I learned from that event with Dave was
[01:37:45] just humility of
[01:37:47] Dave being the super high ranking Marine Corps officer with the pedigree background that he had for what he did in the military the Marine Corps
[01:37:57] as a top gun pilot
[01:37:59] You know just I mean he's good deal Dave for a reason and for him to be asking me like my ideas
[01:38:08] And hey, what do you think and how do you want to run this and what's your thoughts on this?
[01:38:13] I hate you been doing a little bit longer than me
[01:38:14] And I'm just like in my mind I'm like well, yeah, I've been here a couple months longer than he was not like I've been flooded with work brother
[01:38:20] like I'm just but he just showed
[01:38:23] Just complete humility and for us to be able to work together and you know just just cover and move for each other
[01:38:29] It was awesome. We've we read off of each other
[01:38:32] like we had been working together for
[01:38:35] a decade plus it was really cool and
[01:38:38] and
[01:38:40] You know just us knocking out the workout together in the morning and then us just doing the workshop and then us head now
[01:38:45] It was it was really cool and then it's just to me and met a lot that you know Dave could have come in
[01:38:51] You know, he's you got his all of his degrees and his educational background and everything
[01:38:56] He did the Marine Corps and you know the business degrees and I think he could have come in and be like
[01:38:59] Hey, this is what we're gonna be doing like hey, I had a talk with Dr. alcohol life and I would have been like Roger that sir
[01:39:04] Like the check like I know my place. I'm good with this but it was the exact opposite which
[01:39:11] That's what good leaders do and
[01:39:14] I just I knew that he exemplified everything that you and life had talked about
[01:39:19] From day one and that's why I was like okay, this is this is a guy that I'll do anything with I'll do anything for him
[01:39:25] Like the fact that I get to work with him and fire it up and then
[01:39:28] Muster 0 0 2 happen and Dave and I both spoke and I was like bang that guy can talk like his his
[01:39:36] Utilup brief was incredible and
[01:39:39] We just we bonded at that at that mustard and just being able to see you and life grow from the first mustard
[01:39:46] The second mustard. I was like oh wow that's
[01:39:49] It's impressive it was just it was just getting evolving and getting better and more powerful and dynamic and
[01:39:59] At that point that was when I was gonna
[01:40:03] Start getting more work and it was after I spoke with that mustard
[01:40:08] That's when things really started a book and get busy and
[01:40:12] It was it was a busy year 2017. You know mustard 0 0 3 happened
[01:40:16] And and yeah, it was it was really cool to kind of see that that growth and progression happen
[01:40:24] And it was just turned an in burning yep
[01:40:27] Anything and everything I remember Jamie would say hey I've got a gig
[01:40:32] They don't have the budget for what we're charging for you and I say yes
[01:40:37] She's like well, I'm like yeah
[01:40:39] He got to the point where Jamie would call him to hey, you know
[01:40:42] She's like already know what your answer is gonna be but I just want I'm like yes
[01:40:45] Look it good hey, this is a free event, but it could open up other opportunities book it like I didn't care
[01:40:51] I literally anything and everything I was saying yes to because that's how you should be
[01:40:57] In my opinion like you if you're JP to know with that opportunity in front of you
[01:41:04] Who the hell do you think you are to be picky about anything?
[01:41:08] I didn't care and there was still this delay in pay right there's still you know for the events and and everything
[01:41:14] I was like that, but like I knew where we were going
[01:41:19] That vision was very clear that that's another six cents when I look back on it
[01:41:23] I remember having a conversation with you and you're like hey, I want to talk to you about the way that we get paid
[01:41:27] It seems like we should maybe do and you had this whole like pitch to me about
[01:41:32] You know you could get advanced from the client
[01:41:34] You you this whole pitch to me about basically what a well-down to is how how
[01:41:37] Then structures could get paid faster, which is only two instructors and I was just kind of like I was like bro
[01:41:44] Like looking back I see what you were trying to say you needed money now
[01:41:48] I was just looking at you going bro who cares you'll get paid you know whatever you'll get that money then whenever
[01:41:53] To me you I go JP I don't even know I don't even know when I got paid for whatever
[01:41:57] I remember you telling me that I'm on the inside
[01:42:00] You said that and I remember on the inside going oh
[01:42:03] Oh
[01:42:05] That's a nice situation
[01:42:06] Yeah, I'm not in that situation
[01:42:09] Yeah, and it's funny because now it's like oh I definitely remember telling you like hey
[01:42:14] I don't even know when I got paid for what doesn't even I don't even don't even recognize it and you are like
[01:42:20] Roger
[01:42:21] You know there's probably a little bit of an indication to me
[01:42:24] But I knew it couldn't have been that far off. You know I must have been looking at it going yeah
[01:42:27] He's gonna be here and very short period of time. Yeah, and again just bad leadership on my part
[01:42:32] No, not at all. No, that's it. It was just now again if my communication would have been a little more clear with you
[01:42:40] And if I would have said Joko hey the reason why I'm talking about us being able to do this is because boom boom
[01:42:48] But your your reason in lace reason was very valid like for you to do that
[01:42:52] You're giving up a percentage of your pay for that advance and the company didn't need it
[01:42:57] You guys didn't need it and you knew in the very near future
[01:43:00] Was not gonna be an issue was gonna be no factor now
[01:43:05] So it's 2017. This is all happening. Yeah
[01:43:09] That makes sense to me like how you especially with your personality
[01:43:13] But even like without necessarily your specific personality like you don't want to like as a team member
[01:43:19] enthusiastic new team member and you have that like kind of attitude or whatever like non
[01:43:24] And you know how you have entitled attitude you have the exact opposite yours
[01:43:28] You're attitude and it's kind of extreme, but even if it's not that extreme
[01:43:31] I understand that you come and you don't want to be
[01:43:34] You don't want to start presenting burdens to like the team like oh my my financial like hey
[01:43:40] Let's do this because of my personal financial situation, you know, yeah, and it was ideas to where if it made sense to them
[01:43:49] We would execute on it, right, but I like I know life in Joko well enough to her if I present something to them
[01:43:55] And if they see the value and if it makes sense they'll do it if they don't see the value and if it doesn't make sense to the company
[01:44:03] Then why would they do that and I understood that so I I didn't care either way
[01:44:07] It was like hey if we did this it would be beneficial if we don't do it
[01:44:11] Whatever like we'll be good to go. I'll be okay. Yeah, but and you know how like
[01:44:17] Especially if
[01:44:18] Like the ideally you want to be the team player that's like the easiest to work with and then of course
[01:44:24] The one that executes and does a good job for sure, but what if like what if your team member that you executed well?
[01:44:30] You did your job 100% and you excelled in it and you're really valuable
[01:44:34] But
[01:44:35] Every time you did a job you sort of complain about it for like three four minutes before you did it and then you do it
[01:44:40] But you just complain about it you'd always sort of have that, you know just for example
[01:44:44] I'm gonna say you'd ever do that obviously, but let's just say for example
[01:44:48] Where someone like you and I think it's normal to be like men
[01:44:52] I don't want to bring that burden to this team that I respect so much
[01:44:55] So I'm gonna like work so hard to keep it from them
[01:44:59] It's like you know the idea that okay my financial situation is not jocquist problem
[01:45:03] It's not and in fact I don't even want him worried about that
[01:45:06] So I'm gonna in a way I'm gonna hide it from him a little bit
[01:45:09] Yeah, I'm gonna keep it from him and I'm gonna just all I'm gonna present to jocquist for his perception is
[01:45:14] Me doing a good job 100% that's it
[01:45:17] But and it's also the mindset that it's nobody else's responsibility to fix my situation other than myself
[01:45:24] Yeah, and it is nobody's responsibility
[01:45:27] Yeah, now if I'm a
[01:45:29] contributing member of a team that they value guess what I get paid according Lee I know that right and the one of the things that I've always tried to be is like
[01:45:37] Hey, you should be working so hard and
[01:45:41] And provide so much value to a team that if the team and I've told this to a lot of companies
[01:45:47] We've done workshops with during Q&A the last world. What about this in this and if I can tie this answer into it
[01:45:52] I think it's important for people to hear and understand it's like you want to be that person on the team toward if your company has to
[01:45:58] start cutting back
[01:46:01] Every time they see your name on the list they're like nope and needs to be bumped up a little bit nope and needs to be bumped up a little bit
[01:46:08] And that's just kind of like the mindset I've always tried to have of just being that
[01:46:13] Contributing member of a team and and not him not me
[01:46:16] At the end of the day also this is nothing for me to complain about because I also know
[01:46:22] That my worst day is somebody's dream
[01:46:25] Yeah, I mean
[01:46:27] Have you I'm sure this probably happened you on a few a year to playments. I know it's happened to Mike's really I've asked him about it
[01:46:32] It happened on mine have you ever had somebody where they tried to give you their kids for you to take off target or take out of
[01:46:39] Or wherever you're at like try to give you the kids
[01:46:43] Think about that. I mean you and I know how you are with kids
[01:46:46] Instructor and this will probably make you emotional like it does me when I talk about this is
[01:46:51] On my deployments
[01:46:53] Everyone and it's only three so it's not like a lot. You know not like Mike's really where I like like
[01:46:58] Actual GIG rambo hero right the 11 combat deployments
[01:47:05] Is where you would have a family
[01:47:08] Try to give their kids to you like they're asking you to take that did that never happened to me. Oh
[01:47:14] They didn't who are they are trying to like saying hey, can you please take the kids with you?
[01:47:18] Yeah, I got him like like trying to protect the kids, you know like get the kids over here
[01:47:22] Okay, I've had anyone trying to where say hey take take the kids and keep them safe. Yes, I'm sorry for most of us
[01:47:28] Can you take them back to base with you?
[01:47:30] Can you take them back to base with you? You gotta think about that like I'm I
[01:47:34] We're all parents in here. I mean I would never trust a stranger with my kids
[01:47:39] I mean there's some family members. I have them like now. We're good. You don't need a lot of kids like I'm very protective of my kids
[01:47:44] And to think that there are people that live in a situation
[01:47:47] They live in an environment that's so bad
[01:47:49] That they know that their kid could have a better life if they were to
[01:47:55] America with us and obviously that's not a reality. We can't just take kids back to the United States with us to provide safety and security
[01:48:01] But you know, it's just something that's all I've always kind of thought about is my worst day is somebody's dream
[01:48:06] Like the things that we can complain about
[01:48:09] People would love to have those
[01:48:11] Those problems and so that was just another reminder that I have to myself and like hey like your life's not bad
[01:48:18] Man you live in America
[01:48:20] You know, you have a house. You have a vehicle. Yeah, you're struggling. Make ends meet
[01:48:24] But guess what you're the jackass to put yourself in that situation get yourself out of it
[01:48:28] Yeah, and that's it. That's obviously a good attitude to have for sure
[01:48:32] Especially comes as naturally as it seems like it does with you
[01:48:34] I mean I don't think that comes as naturally for maybe the typical person even though yes
[01:48:39] I think a lot of us do
[01:48:41] Reminder cells, you know that kind of stuff and it does help a lot
[01:48:44] Well, it's a I guess it's unfair because I have the advantage of seeing what I've seen on the point
[01:48:50] It's and both my parents worked their butts off
[01:48:55] They never come I never we never heard our parents complaining about the work that they had to do
[01:49:00] There's times where my mom would would wake us up at like four in the morning because she had to go teach step-of-robex at five a.m
[01:49:07] And so she would wake up all the kids and my dad was leaving to go do construction all day
[01:49:11] So you can't leave the kids at home, so she would wake us up. We should get us ready for school
[01:49:16] Knowing that we're gonna go back to sleep. We would go to the gym the fitness center or the club whatever
[01:49:21] She was working at we would sleep in daycare or sleep in the office while she would teach her classes
[01:49:26] She would then get us up
[01:49:28] Feed us some breakfast drop-up off that school and go back and work pick us up from school
[01:49:33] We'd hang out at the club or the fitness center or wherever she was working at doing our school work there and
[01:49:39] Tell she got done teaching then we go home. She'd make dinner for our family and by that time my dad would be coming home
[01:49:45] And it was just you can make excuses or you can make things happen. You can't do both
[01:49:51] That's what I've always loved that saying I always try to share that with people is because I think too many people
[01:49:57] Are comfortable with making excuses. Yeah, and like I said my mindset was starting to shift and change
[01:50:04] Working with you in life. I mean, and now I'm working with Dave Burke and you and I are seeing each other work when we did that field training exercise
[01:50:10] Out in New Jersey with in life and I did that with that company and it was just you know being around people
[01:50:16] That have a different driven mindset. It's gonna change like you have to change your mindset if you're gonna
[01:50:23] Try to keep up and again
[01:50:25] I know how smart chocolate is. I know how smart life is. I know how smart Davis like I I had to work
[01:50:31] I had to work to to to to keep a seat at the table and I also know not everybody deserves a seat at the table. Yeah
[01:50:39] Do you think joko that there? I mean, obviously good attitude to have just generally speaking, but
[01:50:45] Would the extreme version of that? I think JP you could I don't the thing is I don't know it
[01:50:51] I don't see that it at that this has happened, but it seems like you might run the risk a little bit of
[01:50:57] Okay, let's say here's an analogy so let's say we're all running up hill right and at the top of the hill is the goal
[01:51:04] And we all have our sacks of marbles. We'll say
[01:51:08] Joko's legs are really like a way stronger than ours. We'll say
[01:51:13] Allegedly allegedly yeah, yeah, for this analogy
[01:51:15] We'll say that's the case and but we all have the same amount of marbles, you know, but I thought when we reach the goal
[01:51:21] We're all there equally whatever, you know fulfillment whatever that is
[01:51:25] And let's say you're falling behind a little bit like maybe your legs aren't as strong as mine and jok was whatever you're falling behind
[01:51:33] And jok was like hey like you go to whatever and you're like refuse because he can grab like half your marbles
[01:51:39] And still be rolling faster than us literally he can be doing that just especially for the last 20 meters or whatever
[01:51:45] But you're like no, no, these are my marbles. I have to carry them
[01:51:49] What it's like hey wait, but if I carry them just for a little bit
[01:51:52] I can help us all out and we can all be where we want to be quicker
[01:51:56] Seems saying
[01:51:57] So Joko, do you think that we run the risk?
[01:52:00] Given that analogy. Yes, so here's fiction we we kind of already answered this, but you're bringing a good point into it
[01:52:07] So the answer for the original thing as an individual human in J. P's world
[01:52:12] He didn't get to a point where he was gonna drop the marbles and fall down the hill
[01:52:17] He didn't get there as an individual
[01:52:20] So he never reached a point where he had to say
[01:52:23] You know, I need help or whatever. That's part one part two is
[01:52:29] What you know this is where it starts to
[01:52:32] sway the answer a little bit
[01:52:34] Now we're supposed to work together as a team right so if J. P is hurting the team
[01:52:42] It's the same if J. P gets to a point where he's gonna not make himself
[01:52:45] He's gonna speak up if you're hurting a team and you think that's a bad thing well guess what?
[01:52:52] Then you need to speak up so yes if J. P would have said
[01:52:57] If J. P would have said you know, hey, I can't make it to the gig because I got a deliver pizzas
[01:53:01] We would have been like hey, hold on a second dude. What are you talking about?
[01:53:04] Yeah, you got a deliver. We don't that's that's we need you at this gig and he would said yeah, but I don't have enough money
[01:53:09] And I want to said oh, okay, bro. Well, let's all right. Let's figure this out. Let's talk
[01:53:14] So he didn't reach a point where
[01:53:17] Look 100% of the time when it was J. P's
[01:53:22] Go time he was ready rock and roll like okay, that's cool. Yep. Yep. Here you are. Yep. You're here to drop if you if I would have said hey
[01:53:30] J. P. Can you come out of this gig? I'm gonna be at he's like well, I can't because I've got to do
[01:53:33] You know, I've got pizzas to deliver. I got a world war goodness construction site
[01:53:36] I'll just say wait, why do you have to do that? He said well I actually you know
[01:53:40] I'm not quite there at Slam front yet and I need a little bit more money and I said okay cool give me some of those marbles
[01:53:46] Or let me give you some of mine, you know, to get you to where you need to be so yes
[01:53:50] It can happen and there's you know you see this in a you know what the example at your giving is an actual
[01:53:56] An actual thing that can happen in a seal puto, you know if you've got a bunch of guys and you got someone that's can't carry their weight
[01:54:02] You and now the platoon is not going to make it right so you say hey
[01:54:07] Give me the radio you know to the radio man. Hey. I've carried the radio man's radio before
[01:54:11] You know like hey the radio man's got an extra 20 pounds
[01:54:14] Give me that radio. Let me carry this thing till we get the next rally point or we get to the next
[01:54:17] You know the the next way point that we're going to and see if you feel better and if you do you can take the way back
[01:54:22] If not I was on a patrol one time I had this is just a training operation
[01:54:26] But I had the radio and I had an M60 from from the radio man and one of the 60 gunners
[01:54:31] I mean that's they were hurt and yet I didn't like that's the way it is and you could see
[01:54:38] We were gonna lag we weren't gonna make to our where we need to be so alright get me the radio
[01:54:43] I'm going to the radio for a little while now. I was looking at the 60 gunner
[01:54:47] Dude you want me to carry that thing for a little bit
[01:54:49] Yeah, here take my P-shoot or let's switch it out. So yes, you're you are correct
[01:54:53] Yeah, but J.P. never got to either one of those thresholds and I will say the
[01:54:57] Criticism you could have of J.P. is on a personal level is his threshold to
[01:55:05] Too low I guess is the word too low where he thinks it's okay to get to this really low point when
[01:55:12] You know maybe his maybe in his mind just maybe your mind J.P. is threshold is too low
[01:55:16] But guess what you're not it's not your it's not your life
[01:55:19] It's J.P's life and I'm telling you if J.P. got to a point where he was saying and this is what I was trying to make clear earlier
[01:55:26] If you not just J.P. if anyone gets to a point where you can no longer keep your head above water man
[01:55:34] And I don't care if it's financial. I don't care if it's psychological
[01:55:37] I don't care if it's emotional
[01:55:38] I don't care for its relationship if you get into a situation where you can't keep your head above water
[01:55:43] You have to have the
[01:55:46] Humility and the courage to ask for help
[01:55:50] That's what you have to do otherwise you drown
[01:55:53] Yeah, yeah, and you have the weird gray area though with that with this so you got
[01:56:00] That then I'll just kind of easier to explain it where it okay, so when I when you say you say oh
[01:56:05] We might fail to get to the whether be the rally point or to get to our objective without meet helping
[01:56:11] You know some people whatever but what if they asked for help earlier
[01:56:16] They didn't necessarily they weren't about to drown but they were kind of holding things up
[01:56:20] You were gonna get there maybe a little late or maybe kind of on time, but if you if they would ask for help earlier
[01:56:27] You wouldn't got there early way more advantageous position. See them saying no so there's like a gray area
[01:56:32] Whereas like yeah, you're drowning that's like kind of do our die situation
[01:56:35] We're in no choice but there's that little gray area where it's like man to optimize like
[01:56:41] Just ask for a little bit of help and you might be able to optimize not to say that's always gonna be a situation
[01:56:46] But then exactly what you said you kind of got to wrestle with
[01:56:49] Someone like you would you wouldn't be like you would take it as a personal failure like I shouldn't
[01:56:55] I shouldn't and this is a good thing by the way
[01:56:57] I shouldn't have to ask for any help ever unless I'm about to drown otherwise it's not their problem. Yeah, you know and that
[01:57:05] This reminds me of you know when we're in Ramadi and I was you know one of our leads snipers
[01:57:12] And I wasn't clear on our rules of engagement. We got in the rules of engagement brief
[01:57:20] You know our leadership had done a good job. We you know we were fired up to be doing what we were doing
[01:57:25] But and it was clear
[01:57:29] But what was not clear to me was when you're actually in that situation because there is some gray zones there
[01:57:36] There is some like you know like once you're in a situation it kind of changes like
[01:57:41] How you can interpret something and I know and our leadership had always made it very clear and I knew just knew that if
[01:57:50] If you shoot somebody
[01:57:53] That was not in any combat and fighter that was not within the rules of engagement
[01:57:58] You're gonna be going to jail
[01:58:00] All right like I'm gonna be going to Levinworth to make big rocks to medium rocks to make medium rocks to small rocks
[01:58:06] Like that's not gonna be good like you can't just shoot people without them having a weapon or doing a hostile act or something
[01:58:14] That's within your rules of engagement and so we were setting up an Overwatch and I was lead sniper and I'm scanning my area
[01:58:23] And I knew where the the soldiers were gonna be
[01:58:26] I knew where the Marines were gonna be we had some seals on the ground as well with them and like I knew their location
[01:58:31] I was aware of it. I had my my map. I did my map study
[01:58:35] I knew what I was checking and and I remember seeing this we call them man's military age male that started to
[01:58:48] Creep into his activities were within the rules of engagement. It wasn't like this blatant like right away
[01:58:54] type of thing but what he was doing was it there was like oh okay that's within those rules of engagement
[01:59:00] But because he didn't start doing it right away
[01:59:02] There's confusion on my end like I was kind of like and I remember I was I'm my SR25
[01:59:10] And it was our sniper rifle that I had it was a 762 caliber sniper rifle magazine held 20 rounds
[01:59:16] So in an urban environment it's a great sniper rifle to have because I can shoot it semi auto if I have to
[01:59:22] There's a few times in the streets we got and you know get into a gunfight you can take multiple shops shots
[01:59:28] You know before you move and it was you know it was a great great gun. I love that gun
[01:59:34] And I remember I was watching I was watching this guy and I was like kind of scanning the other area to see if there's
[01:59:40] Other activity that was going on and you know I dialed it on this guy. I manipulate my my safety from from safe to fire
[01:59:48] But my finger on the trigger and I just was watching the crosshairs on his chest and I was I'm pulling out the slack and it was hot
[01:59:56] And I just remember like I just had sweat dripping down my face like I could taste like the salt in my sweat
[02:00:02] And there was like this like just dust that was all over us just from just on the forward operating base and
[02:00:10] You know patrong to the streets on the rift tops and you know it was kind of like making this little cake
[02:00:15] Like mud mixture on you it's just the whole thing was gross and I remember like I actually like licked my lips to like get the sweat off and I
[02:00:24] Tasted that dirt and
[02:00:26] You know, I'm just and I'm getting ready to take the shot on this guy
[02:00:31] And then I stopped and so like I take my finger off the trigger slack comes out
[02:00:37] I manipulate the gun to save
[02:00:40] I crawl over to Seth and I said hey
[02:00:43] This is what's going on right and I tell him what was going on and
[02:00:50] It was like the first time Seth
[02:00:52] Like I ever kind of saw a disappointment in his face towards me
[02:00:58] You could tell you's frustrated and he's like absolutely take that shot and
[02:01:03] So I I
[02:01:04] Crawl back over to my gun on the rift top and I get on my gun
[02:01:09] I get on a glass and that dude is gone
[02:01:11] And enemy combat and fighter that was well within the rules of engagement for me to engage and I didn't take the shot I
[02:01:26] Let Seth down I
[02:01:28] Let those soldiers down I let those Marines down
[02:01:33] Because I don't know what that guy went and did I
[02:01:35] I don't I because he's gone right and when I've shared this story before I always joke and I said my I just pray that it tank ran him over right
[02:01:45] But that was a really
[02:01:48] Bad feeling for myself because I didn't do my job
[02:01:52] I wasn't able to do my job
[02:01:56] Because I failed to ask the right questions. I failed to get clarification
[02:02:00] And the reason why I said that reminds me of this story is like what we're talking about is that situation that I was in
[02:02:07] Is I failed to share the situation with jockelon life of just say hey here's my situation
[02:02:14] I don't need help but I want you to be aware of what I'm working through in case
[02:02:20] Something seems off with me if something doesn't make sense right like I failed to share that situation
[02:02:26] Because my ego and I failed to ask better questions
[02:02:34] About the rules of engagement. I failed to ask better questions of the situation that we are in in combat
[02:02:40] Because I assumed I had all the information I assume that I knew enough. I assumed that
[02:02:47] My leadership I'd given me all the information and when it came down for me to actually do my job
[02:02:54] I wasn't able to do my job because I didn't properly prepare myself. I didn't ask the right questions
[02:03:00] And you know, that's just one of those things that
[02:03:03] It was a very humbling lesson and it bothered me
[02:03:10] Because I mean, you know those soldiers and Marines always had our back and Seth always had our back and I failed every one of them
[02:03:18] Like I completely failed them and I remember when we came back from that mission
[02:03:22] Seth and I sat down and we talked about it and you know I got clarification from him and the really cool part about it is
[02:03:30] Seth took that opportunity for him to understand
[02:03:34] That he should have been asking better questions with the guys like he should have been getting a better
[02:03:38] Reback and having better communication with us and you know
[02:03:44] I'm not saying the rest of the deployment went perfect and you know there was no other small little hiccups here and there
[02:03:50] But I can tell you the communication was a lot better. There is a lot more clarifying questions that were asked on both parts and
[02:03:58] You have to be able to
[02:04:02] Detach and assess the situations at your end and and actually look at it from a different perspective
[02:04:09] To to see the different types of questions that you should be asking to gain more awareness for your ability to do your job
[02:04:16] Yeah, and that's one of the situations where that was like freaking early as you know very early in the deployment
[02:04:23] Yes, and you know I ended up
[02:04:27] very soon thereafter
[02:04:30] making it
[02:04:32] You know I got the whole rules of engagement because the rules of engagement is this big complex thing and it was you know
[02:04:38] Enemy combat and this potential facility all these things all these legal terms that
[02:04:43] Clearly
[02:04:46] Were too much for someone to be sitting on there and gun making a decision like that
[02:04:52] Especially someone that's freaking 20 just turned 23 years old
[02:04:58] First time in that kind of combat and
[02:05:01] And you know so so what I ended up telling everyone of adventure this is all feedback like you know
[02:05:06] Seth would tell me like hey here's what happened. I'm like okay, so obviously I did a bad job of getting the word out so people understand what's going on because
[02:05:14] You know, so it ended up being hey if you
[02:05:17] When you're out there
[02:05:19] And you have to pull the trigger make sure that the person you're killing is bad
[02:05:23] That's the rules of engagement
[02:05:24] You make sure that that person you're gonna kill is bad and here's why because
[02:05:29] the day that
[02:05:31] one of our snipers or one of our machine gunners shoots and kills
[02:05:35] A local neighborhood doctor or a local neighborhood teacher or a local neighborhood and mom
[02:05:42] We are gonna get shut down and why is it bad we get shut down because if we get shut down
[02:05:47] We can't do what we're supposed to do and that means that these soldiers and Marines that are out for every single day
[02:05:52] They won't have us overwatching what they're doing and we know what will happen then and so that becomes the rules of engagement
[02:06:01] And and this goes back to something I've been talking about I talked about an EF online
[02:06:05] yesterday as a matter of fact
[02:06:08] If you understand if you have that deep understanding then you can make all kinds of decisions based on that
[02:06:13] You can make all kinds of decisions based on your values on your culture in this particular case
[02:06:19] If you truly understand what the rules of engagement and if your boss
[02:06:23] Jocco explains it in a way that you can actually understand them
[02:06:27] Then you can make just about every single decision you need to make me 99.9 sure there might be some outline situation that
[02:06:34] It just you just need clarification on but that should be so rare. It should be so rare that something like that unfolds
[02:06:43] And yeah, those are those are the lessons that you learn and that we learn and like you said
[02:06:48] Does that mean all of a sudden every other call
[02:06:52] Is in terms of rules of engagement was perfect from there on out? No, it wasn't because there there's gray areas
[02:06:57] And even the idea of like hey if you shoot the wrong person you're going to prison like that's actually not true and
[02:07:05] You know civilians
[02:07:07] We'll get killed in combat
[02:07:09] unintentionally and if you if mistakes like that are gonna happen and that doesn't mean your chain of command is gonna hang you out to dry
[02:07:15] You're gonna get sent to prison. No if you're following the rules of engagement
[02:07:19] There can be people that do things that bring them within the rules of engagement and it's something that
[02:07:25] Did something that I learned from the first the 506 is good shoot bad result like almost as soon as we got there
[02:07:31] They had one of those cases when we got to clear the door they had a case that was one of their I don't even know if it's a sniper
[02:07:37] Who is just a rifleman took a shot and it turns out that the person that they the person that was killed
[02:07:47] There was a decent chance that they were not an insertion
[02:07:50] Of course there's a chance that there wasn't that they weren't an surgeon, but it wasn't a cut and dry case
[02:07:56] So what it turns out to be and the way it gets reported is hey, this was a good shot. It was well within the rules of engagement
[02:08:03] But we cannot confirm that this individual is bad therefore we're putting it as a good shot with a bad result
[02:08:09] These are the kind of things that
[02:08:12] Again, they translate into the business world
[02:08:15] Because all the time in the business world you've got someone that's on the front lines that doesn't understand the culture
[02:08:20] Doesn't understand the rules doesn't understand the strategic mission of the company and they're making a decision
[02:08:24] If they don't understand those things they can make the wrong decision all day long
[02:08:28] All day long they can make the wrong decision
[02:08:30] So we as leaders have to make sure that the people on the front lines that we communicate in a simple clear concise manner
[02:08:36] So that they do understand the rules of engagement
[02:08:39] They do understand the strategic mission. They do understand that what you do at a tactical level can have a negative impact on a strategic level
[02:08:50] Say look at look at the police right now. Yeah, police are in in that exact situation
[02:08:55] If there's a police officer they can they can do something on the front lines
[02:09:02] And it can have a we we're seeing it right we've seen it now over and over again in the last several months
[02:09:07] Something that a front line officer does
[02:09:12] Has a negative strategic impact not just on law enforcement button on the entire country and if people don't understand that on the front lines
[02:09:21] They that plays into their decision making process in a negative way
[02:09:31] No, um
[02:09:33] That the thought process of you know you've always ingrained into it since day one of what we started the work up is your individual actions
[02:09:44] Kind of affect this whole task unit and
[02:09:46] I remember that talk that you had with me
[02:09:49] You had the whole talk of the task unit and then you had an individual conversation with me and you told me
[02:09:54] Hey JP I need you to put JP and big bold letters on your helmet. I know we talked about this in the other podcast
[02:10:01] um
[02:10:03] And you told me the reason why is I I want you to I want to always know where you're at
[02:10:08] I need you you know you to be my go to guy and
[02:10:12] And that was very empowering right it was a very empowering conversation that you had with me
[02:10:16] You told me like hey, I need you be I use your step up and be a little more aggressive
[02:10:20] Okay, you know, I thought I was pretty aggressive, but hey all right, but you explain like I need you
[02:10:25] Like it's just getting stuff done like I need you to you know help set that
[02:10:28] I need you to help you know just this task unit and it was the other part that was extremely powerful with that
[02:10:35] Conversation is you told me and you know Seth was very clear with this and we worked through this a lot is
[02:10:41] You're gonna have a lot on your play as a as a sniper as a point man as a machine gunner when we deploy
[02:10:46] You're young right and at the time I had just turned 22 and then before we deploy the month before we deploy
[02:10:53] I turned 23 and
[02:10:55] It was it was so important to like that you and
[02:10:58] Set those leaders
[02:11:00] Made sure that I knew
[02:11:02] How important my job was how important my individual roles were and that my individual actions could have a negative impact on the task unit
[02:11:13] And that if I did something wrong overseas that we could all get shut down and I've
[02:11:17] That's always just been in my mind and now have I always had here to that and and made great decisions?
[02:11:23] No, you know, I've I've made decisions that you know have been bad. I've been arrested. I've you know
[02:11:29] I've gotten in trouble in the military. I've you know, you know, you know, you know, you know
[02:11:33] A lot of my marriage to fall apart, but
[02:11:36] It's still always been there that's kept you know, just me reminded like hey
[02:11:41] Your your individual actions matter and that's one of the things I've always tried to
[02:11:47] Remind myself of the opportunity that I've had with with you and life here at echelon front is I need
[02:11:52] Every one of my
[02:11:55] Actions needs to impact the team for the greater good and you know, I'm and I would always have this little joke like hey everything's a test
[02:12:03] Like everything is a test with joccal life like hey, you don't know like hey maybe you know
[02:12:07] Just the event something happened with the event like hey, maybe they had a part of that just to see how you would do
[02:12:13] Obviously we know that's not the fact, but it was just just to allow us and allow myself to not
[02:12:18] You know fall to complacency
[02:12:22] You know, I've talked about this in the mustard and we've all taught you know complacency gets people killed
[02:12:27] And complacency is something that we have to actually go to war with every single day because it creeps in you that
[02:12:33] Alarm clock goes off the complacency is gonna creep in it is gonna creep in in your professional life
[02:12:38] Your personal life your relationship with your wife or your husband your significant other you're you know
[02:12:44] Your kids complacency is always trying to creep in and
[02:12:47] And
[02:12:49] Just as a reminder to myself
[02:12:51] Over the last four years was my individual actions are going to affect the team and how they affect the team is that's a choice that I that I am that I'm making yeah
[02:13:01] There's a there's a whole
[02:13:04] Sort of
[02:13:08] Yeah, I wrote about leaders of strategy and tactics are about the fact that hey
[02:13:10] I would tell the point man. Hey, you're the most important person in the tune because you're the one that knows where are going
[02:13:15] I tell the the I would tell Seth hey you're the most important guy here
[02:13:18] I tell the radio man you're the most person important person guy here because you're the one that's gonna call for help if we need it
[02:13:23] the manifestation of that is
[02:13:26] Me looking at you and saying hey put JP on your helmet
[02:13:32] Because I want to know where you are
[02:13:35] In case I need to have something happen that I can get you
[02:13:38] You if you think about that from a psychological perspective
[02:13:45] That is the
[02:13:46] physical manifestation
[02:13:48] Of
[02:13:49] Saying hey you're the most important person in this platoon. Yep to tell someone hey and you know I would tell the people be like hey
[02:13:57] Stick by me
[02:13:59] You know I always tell I would always tell like radio men's or J. Taka be like hey stick by me because I'm gonna need you
[02:14:04] You know it was always that it's a it's a it's a I don't want to call it a trick but it's a little bit of a trick
[02:14:11] It's a little bit of a trick to say hey man
[02:14:13] I need to know where you all are all the time because then what you realize is exactly what you just said and obviously it worked
[02:14:22] Because what you realize is my
[02:14:25] Individual actions
[02:14:27] Have a impact on everyone here what I individually do and this is one of those weird dichotomies because a team is a bunch of people right
[02:14:35] What's a team made up of a bunch of individuals and
[02:14:38] What happens is when those individuals when good people when good team players what you know
[02:14:45] I got to say the this before what's a team a team is a bunch of people that are putting the team above themselves
[02:14:50] Mm-hmm and part of that is realizing that my actions as a team member
[02:14:55] Impact the people on the left and right me they impact the whole team and if I don't perform the way I'm supposed to
[02:15:01] I'm not just letting myself down
[02:15:03] I'm letting everyone down and
[02:15:06] That's what a good team player a good team player doesn't want to let down the rest of the team
[02:15:11] so that that dichotomy between
[02:15:15] between hey where a group and where a team and saying hey
[02:15:18] This individual you matter to the outcome of what's gonna happen here and
[02:15:25] Late pointed this out to me that
[02:15:27] When I would debrief platoon's and I might hammer the platoon on this and hammer the platoon on that
[02:15:32] But I would always say you know
[02:15:34] Hey Fred the way you took that your fight you the fire team leader back there. He's yes sir
[02:15:38] Hey, the way you maneuvered on the enemy from the back that made a huge difference and and by the way
[02:15:44] Who is that supporting element with him? Oh, that was me all right
[02:15:47] Fred or or Jim that was awesome the way you two figured that out and work together
[02:15:52] That's the kind of thing we need to see that's cover move. That's what got you guys out of there
[02:15:57] And so signaling out these individuals makes people think you know what man I
[02:16:04] Matter to this team and that's absolutely huge and it goes against the idea of like all the way
[02:16:10] We're all together. We are we are all together 100% but guess what what I do
[02:16:16] Matters yes and I
[02:16:21] Remember I did that with with Mikey. I remember I told Mikey I'm like hey if I'm carrying a sniper rifle
[02:16:29] When we're patrolling I need you by my side because if I'm walking point
[02:16:35] And if I wasn't carrying because you know if I was walking point and I wasn't gonna be acting as a sniper
[02:16:40] Or if we weren't going to go do a sniper overwatch
[02:16:43] I carried the machine gun. I carried the mark 46. I had it ridiculous about an ammo on me and I was good to go
[02:16:50] But I knew that if I was walking point with my SR25 or
[02:16:56] The 300 win mag guess what I needed Mikey because he was carrying the machine gun and
[02:17:02] I knew that I needed him by my side and I remember telling him that you know Mikey's answer is like I got you homes
[02:17:07] And he was there he was always by me. You know the only time that he wasn't ever right next to me was when we knew that we were
[02:17:16] Patrolling through some areas that were heavily IE deed and it was
[02:17:20] Everyone is gonna walk in the same steps that I walked in and he would be far enough away to where if I stepped in on
[02:17:26] I on an IED it wasn't gonna kill Mikey and we're just there is a couple times that we had to take those routes in where it was
[02:17:33] Everybody was on the same path same step like you stepped here. They're gonna step there type of a deal
[02:17:40] To get to the buildings that we're doing overwatch is and I remember there was one time that we
[02:17:44] We patrol this route in that we were told like it is heavily IE deed. I mean we were going super slow
[02:17:49] I'm a thautical and we get to the target Seth called in the route and the vehicles that came in hit
[02:17:56] multiple IEDs along that same route that we were on and it was
[02:18:01] Pure grace of God guiding our steps that we didn't hit one of those we didn't step on any of those and it was
[02:18:10] That principle of what you just said of like I need to know where you're at and I and I knew how important that was
[02:18:16] And I'm not naive. I know I wasn't the only go-to guy that Jocco had
[02:18:21] I know I wasn't the most important member of the task unit
[02:18:24] I knew that I was an important member of the task unit, but I wasn't the most important member of the task unit
[02:18:30] I just knew that and I
[02:18:33] You know we're on that deployment, you know
[02:18:36] We were in a a situation that we were in a building and it was just a weird situation. I remember
[02:18:42] You know when we were getting close to this building
[02:18:45] It just had this weird feeling there wasn't a lot of movement. There wasn't a lot of activity like there normally would be in the city at night
[02:18:52] When we got close to this area and I remember we we going the courtyard and it was completely empty
[02:18:58] There was like almost nothing in there which was not common for the houses there and we get into the building and it was completely empty on the inside as well
[02:19:07] And so we're doing the slow methodical scans and
[02:19:11] We knew that at the time they were
[02:19:14] Starting to booby trap houses and rigging houses to blow
[02:19:17] Because they're like, oh cool, they're gonna come use this house. We'll just rig that house to blow
[02:19:21] Let them all get set up in there and then they're gonna clock off the house and we're going through this building and it was just that
[02:19:28] Just super eerie feeling because it was empty and
[02:19:31] Yeah, I think it's just you know that's gonna be a bad thing and we clear the first deck just we go up to the second deck
[02:19:37] We clear through it
[02:19:39] We go up to the
[02:19:40] The rooftop it's completely empty. We check the surrounding buildings to make sure they're not we're not getting ambushed or anything else like that
[02:19:47] And we just we're all set up in our different positions. We had guys up on the rooftop
[02:19:53] You know the badger that I talked about before he was up there
[02:19:56] You know
[02:19:57] Mike he was up there another one of our machine gunners are up there
[02:20:01] They had the Carl Gustaf rocket up there. We had a bunch of law rockets up there
[02:20:06] Myself a couple of the other snipers were in different different different rooms down on that second deck
[02:20:11] We had guys down the courtyard and I remember the call to prayer happens sun certain to come up and
[02:20:16] Normally there's some activity
[02:20:19] There's no activity in our area and we just knew we're like
[02:20:23] All right like we know that we're gonna be getting into a big one and
[02:20:26] And you know and then that first little pop shot happens, you know, they're shooting up at the building
[02:20:32] And then they're kind of getting dialed in and you know they're starting to hit the outside walls and
[02:20:37] We're trying to figure out where they're coming from and we kind of start to see okay
[02:20:41] Okay, there's some enemy fighters like that's where they're shooting at and we're engaging them and I remember Seth was in the room with myself and another
[02:20:49] guy and
[02:20:52] You know, he's just kind of asked me what I what I have going on and I'm showing them and like I
[02:20:57] I engage these two guys while he's in the room and you know, he's just laughing that just contagious laughter set past
[02:21:03] He's like that was awesome and
[02:21:05] You know, he crawls out of the room and he goes to the other room to get the report and he's going up to the rooftop and
[02:21:10] And then like a round comes into my room like it hits the back wall and it was just so loud
[02:21:17] It's large caliber room
[02:21:19] Round you're in the room about the sizes podcast room. It's all like
[02:21:24] Concrete and marble, right and so it just it's super loud and concussed and
[02:21:29] The guys up on the rooftop they see where it comes from and you hear rock it out
[02:21:34] They shoot the call good stuff and I just remember I'm in the room
[02:21:38] You see the rocket come from above you're just like shoo and just goes into the window of where those enemy fighters were and
[02:21:46] It detonates inside there and you just see them like the roof go just like this wave right just boom
[02:21:51] And it's all the guys like yeah
[02:21:54] I just I found some videos of it and it was just awesome like the guys are just like cheering and everything and you know
[02:22:01] We're engaged multiple enemy fighters and now is the first time that I had actually had an
[02:22:07] Enemy fighter use a kid as a shield and I just remember
[02:22:13] just the way that felt when you're looking through your crosshairs and
[02:22:19] There's somebody holding a kid in front of them
[02:22:24] Because there's so much of a coward and
[02:22:26] They're trying to attack you and they're maneuvering to try to move to a position and they grab some kid that's crying and
[02:22:33] Cloning at them and screaming because they're taking from their family and I
[02:22:38] just
[02:22:40] Matt I'll never shake that feeling because you know that kid is is ruined. You know
[02:22:45] How does that kid ever have a normal life when they were being used as a human shield and
[02:22:50] There's times that we took shots and
[02:22:54] Those kids were fine, you know, and you know the kids were not harmed obviously and there's times that you just knew that you couldn't take that shot because any
[02:23:02] Air anything, you know, you can't you know, you couldn't do that you can't obviously you would never do that and you know
[02:23:09] We were we're in it for a while that day and
[02:23:13] Guys are kind of given their like hey update on their ammo and we're starting to run low
[02:23:19] And I remember we tried to get some some support to our position and they were able to because they had they had troops in contact
[02:23:27] There's a bunch of coordinated attacks that were kind of going on in the different in that region and
[02:23:31] And
[02:23:33] You know, we make the call hey we're gonna have the clap security and we're gonna head back to one of these one of these cops kind of get
[02:23:39] Re-supplied readjust the situation and
[02:23:42] So we make that call and as it happens around comes through the window that I'm in and it hits the metal grading in front of me
[02:23:50] And I get
[02:23:51] Catch a little fragment in my face and the round hits the wall and I I'm on my background away like I'm on my back laying down trying to get out of that that window
[02:24:00] So and I just remember like my face felt really warm
[02:24:04] And I was like touching my face to see if I did shot and there's like a little bit of blood on my fingers and I
[02:24:09] Was able to oh my okay, that's
[02:24:12] Nothing I probably cut myself shaving worse than that. It was just enough
[02:24:17] And so I'm down and there's machine gun fire that's coming down in that window that I'm in
[02:24:22] Another one of the guys who's like out in the hallway and he's like crawling in the
[02:24:26] You know and
[02:24:28] You just like trying to get out of there and I remember like I'm up against the window as close as I can to try to eliminate like the angle that
[02:24:35] They could be shooting in from another rooftop or a window out there and
[02:24:40] Like I get my Paris scope out and I'm like trying to like look out the window and I kind of see what's going on
[02:24:46] And I look at my rifle and at a hard malfunction on my on the S.R. 25
[02:24:51] Like I'm just I'm gonna have to take this apart to actually fix this. I'm like this is not a good situation to be in
[02:24:57] And I'm in my own little world like I'm trying to figure out there's steady shots coming into the room that I'm in and
[02:25:04] It's a definitely an enemy sniper and then you'll have a little bit of machine gun fire that's coming in
[02:25:10] It's a spraying the building some of the rounds actually coming into the room and
[02:25:14] And I'm like trying to figure out like I need to get out of the room like I'm trying to time it
[02:25:20] I'm like well if I maybe if I get on my stomach
[02:25:23] I can get it like a sprinter's position. I can like jump and like slide out like I need to be able to get out like
[02:25:29] Whoever like they've got they've got me pinned down like they've got their bead well done
[02:25:35] Take mark on your side for now like like I'm trying to figure out how I'm gonna get out of this situation and then
[02:25:42] I hear
[02:25:44] A very familiar sound that usually brings a lot of comfort
[02:25:48] To me and it was Mikey and one of the other machine gunners just
[02:25:55] Bupupupupupupupupupupupup like they're seeing it off each other and then you hear all the other guy shooting
[02:25:59] So there's a gunfight going on however that gunfight's not in front of the courtyard they were
[02:26:04] Down the alleyway they had left me like I
[02:26:07] Insultly realized that I'd been left behind on that target and I knew that I had to get out of the room
[02:26:14] And I need to figure out how I was gonna get a hold of them to get situated
[02:26:17] What I didn't recognize and realize that I was hearing nothing over my radio
[02:26:23] Because at the time I had my radio for whatever reason was like on my back and when I would
[02:26:28] Got in the onto my back and was sliding up against the window I
[02:26:33] Shut it off reprogrammed it or whatever change the channel had done something right and so
[02:26:37] I end up making my way out of the room
[02:26:39] I make my way downstairs. I have my pistol all have my sig 2 2 6
[02:26:45] Because my rifle is is a hard mouth function this building is still being shot at like the enemy fighters
[02:26:51] No were at the guys had left
[02:26:53] I make my way down the courtyard and I'm trying to figure out okay, hey, how do I get a hold of the guys?
[02:26:57] I have to get to my radio but in order for me to get to my radio that means
[02:27:01] I actually have to take my my gear off and I'm in the courtyard by myself
[02:27:05] I get myself into the corner I can hear
[02:27:09] Like people moving around on the other buildings and the other courtyards you can hear them talking
[02:27:14] You can hear them shooting out the building these guys are down the alleyway shooting
[02:27:18] so
[02:27:20] I get my radio out
[02:27:21] I I keep the radio
[02:27:23] I'm like hey guys this is the JP
[02:27:26] You left me behind on target. I might have added in a few other keywords in there, right?
[02:27:31] And so and I hear and now I hear the gunfire over the radio and it's I know what's happening
[02:27:38] It's Seth keyed up to respond to me as he's
[02:27:42] Like looking around for me and it's a instant Roger that we're headed back your way
[02:27:47] And so the badger is making the calls like get them back to me
[02:27:53] They get close to me and I'm talking with him on the radio and I said hey
[02:27:56] I'm coming out on the south side of the alleyway laid down cover fire on the north side
[02:28:01] So Mikey the other machine gunner they you know another big dude like Mikey carried the the mark 48
[02:28:08] They just you know I'm talking about just an amazing operator
[02:28:12] They they get side by side and they're just like
[02:28:15] Just like seeing off of each other and I remember like I poke out my head like I look I look at them
[02:28:21] And I'm just holding ass to get
[02:28:23] Linked back up with them and as I'm running up like I have my pistol on my hand because and I'm like holding onto my rifle
[02:28:30] And they're just like the like the look and I remember looking at Mikey and
[02:28:35] I was just like trying to probably like the whole thing. I'm still trying to process, right?
[02:28:39] It's you know that's why the people say the fog of war is it's a real thing
[02:28:43] And I remember looking at Mikey and I'm wondering like
[02:28:46] Who are you walking next to like I was the point man bro?
[02:28:50] And then I look at the guy that screwed up the head count and I'm like
[02:28:55] How do like there wasn't that many of us like how do you screw this up, right?
[02:28:59] And then I like looking at Seth and I'm just like the same thing like
[02:29:03] Who are you like who is leading you guys out of this and just this whole thing?
[02:29:06] I just remember like I was I was like pissed off obviously we we take a courtyard. I fixed my rifle
[02:29:13] We make our way back. We debrief submission. We kind of figure out what happened and I remember
[02:29:17] The guy that screwed up the head count came up and he like he gives me this hug and I love this guy
[02:29:22] I we've always been very close and he gives me how he's like brah
[02:29:26] I'm so sorry. I'm like man. That wasn't your fault like you know
[02:29:30] But he was just like super apologetic of it and and Mikey
[02:29:35] Mikey came up and we were talking he's like bro
[02:29:38] He's like if I would have been with you that wouldn't have happened man like
[02:29:42] This is this is my fault man. I'm sorry and you know Seth takes ownership of it as well
[02:29:48] You know and I'm talking through it. I'm like guys. This is my fault. You know, it's so like raw. I kind of figured out
[02:29:53] But it was just I remember
[02:29:55] Just the look on Mikey's face
[02:29:58] Of he felt like he had failed me because he wasn't by me and I would said hey man
[02:30:02] I need you by my side because if I'm a sniper I need a machine gunner
[02:30:06] For multiple reasons and and I just remember like and after that like you know we got ours
[02:30:13] Our gear squared away like why was a radio on my back? I shouldn't have had my radio back there
[02:30:17] I should have been you know there's all these things that were obviously it was it was my fault at the end of the day
[02:30:22] It was 100% my fault but I just as you were sharing that story about like the psychological
[02:30:29] Side to what you did with the helmet. It was it was the same thing that I did with Mikey when I was like hey
[02:30:34] I need you by my side and there's gonna be times that team members screw up
[02:30:37] They forget what they need to be doing that they fall you know there's other priorities that come or come about
[02:30:42] Do we had a loss guys were running out of ammo?
[02:30:45] We shot every rocket that we brought with us guys were throwing grenades
[02:30:49] You know like from the rooftop all the way over to the other courtyard where there's people at and I mean so
[02:30:55] I mean we were there's a lot of stuff going on and I just
[02:30:59] Remember just how much that affected Mikey and we talked through it and you know just making sure like hey
[02:31:07] We're good we're on the same page and you know there's there's a lot of unique situations here in that deployment
[02:31:12] you know and
[02:31:14] It's just important that people know the roles and how they affect the team you get it meant when when jocos like hey
[02:31:21] Right this JPN the back of your helmet
[02:31:23] And you got it you're looking around you're like hey he didn't ask no one else right there named on the back of the helmet
[02:31:29] I'm kind of the man right now. I mean I still have that
[02:31:35] You know what's cool
[02:31:37] When you're talking about hey you go back to debriefet thing and Seth says it's fault and the head count guys says it's fault Mikey says it's fault
[02:31:44] You say it to your fault and some people might look at that and go well, you know
[02:31:48] Well, I guess this is that extreme ownership everyone is just taking ownership and what really happens
[02:31:52] This is what what I like to call overlapping fields of ownership. Yes, and what it means is
[02:31:59] You have multiple people looking at the same problem and we're all gonna figure out how to solve it because guess what
[02:32:07] You take a situation like that if you were to get out a surgeon's knife and start to carve away
[02:32:14] Who was responsible? Well, there's a bunch of people that had to make mistakes
[02:32:19] Yes for that to occur and if every you know if Mikey would have said wait where's JP?
[02:32:25] That's it doesn't happen if you would have said wait why in our hearing and say if you had your radio in the right spot
[02:32:31] You would have heard calls that they're leaving if the head count guy would have freaking count
[02:32:35] And correctly that problem would have been solved if Seth would have looked at the freaking head count guy. Are you sure we're good like you don't like all these things
[02:32:44] When everyone takes ownership of the problem look
[02:32:47] Not everyone's gonna you know you get freak your bell wrong by a by an RPG hitting a building you might not be counting freaking great
[02:32:54] Even if it only count the six yeah, right and then and like I knew our SOPs for when we clap security
[02:33:01] You know and I was in my own little world solving my problems of being pinned down by an enemy sniper
[02:33:08] Not trying to put my head up trying to figure out how I'm gonna get out of the room
[02:33:10] But if I legitimately would have just dis like
[02:33:14] Disconnected for a split second in detach and said oh
[02:33:18] We just made the call to collapse security
[02:33:21] It's been about 30 seconds guess what the guys are doing they're collapsing security
[02:33:26] I could have just yelled like hey I'm in this room. I need cover fire like I could have I could have done or said something
[02:33:35] To to eliminate all that confusion right and so what you end up with is instead of having a single point of failure
[02:33:42] You have multiple you have overlapping fields and redundancy to to get problem solves and that and that's what you want that's what you want on a team
[02:33:54] And the funny thing is
[02:33:56] When you go to the opposite of that if you come back and you start point your finger at the head count
[02:34:00] Go you know why did you get a good head count? You know when he's gonna do
[02:34:04] He's gonna say because I didn't have any cover fire when I stepped out of the building
[02:34:07] Yeah, and then you know and he points is at the aid dump and says why won't you give me cover fire?
[02:34:12] He goes why wasn't giving you cover fire because we didn't have enough time to reload our weapons because you made the calls too fast
[02:34:18] And then sets says you know
[02:34:19] Seth why did you make the call you told us to do to that we were gonna break out
[02:34:23] But you gave us only 15 seconds how much most do we reload and
[02:34:26] Then Seth says why aren't you training when we're back here so that you can do a faster reload and what do we have instead of
[02:34:32] Extreme over ship ownership overlapping we've got no one no one's responsible for what happened and therefore
[02:34:38] We don't fix the freaking problem and
[02:34:43] Well you're saying it's like people say oh, is this is stream ownership?
[02:34:47] When you say it's my fault that's not taking ownership
[02:34:50] Extreme ownership is owning the problems and the solution it's my fault at a moving my radio to hear yes
[02:34:56] And it's my fault which means hey
[02:34:57] I'm gonna start getting the head counts just inside the door instead of outside the door and it's hey when I break
[02:35:03] When when I call breakouts
[02:35:04] We're gonna get I'm gonna give everyone a solid minute and when I say break out that means change
[02:35:08] Ammo get ready to rock and roll like all those little things that's what we are all gonna do to win
[02:35:15] You think that this was
[02:35:18] It's weird and and you can see how each one of those people in the in this particular situation
[02:35:23] You could see how if you let your ego get in the way
[02:35:26] You don't take ownership you instead blame other people
[02:35:31] If we can horrible
[02:35:35] So those are the kind of lessons that
[02:35:39] You know we learn on the battlefield and they're so obvious when you're on the battlefield the consequences are so high
[02:35:47] I mean you think about the consequences of you being left behind
[02:35:51] You know it's uh it's one of those miracles that you were able to link back up and there's
[02:35:57] That's one of the things that you always have to do you know we call those lessons that
[02:36:02] They were cheap lesson right the price that could have been paid to learn that lesson could have been dead JP
[02:36:08] But got away with it
[02:36:10] Got away with it by the grace of God and you still come back the the team looks at itself and says what can we do better
[02:36:17] And it's you know, it's tape being able to take these lessons and that I think that's why in the in the business world
[02:36:26] People relate to them because they are
[02:36:30] High stakes situations and sometimes in the business world
[02:36:34] The consequences they're not as high and
[02:36:38] The feedback isn't as immediate
[02:36:41] In the business world you know if you make a mistake in the business world maybe it's you know
[02:36:44] It takes three months before your profits start to fall and you you can kind of identify what the problem was and it was a leadership mistake here and there
[02:36:52] And now we can start to adjust those things in combat. It's like no, I made a mistake right now and I'm paying for it right now and so it makes the
[02:36:59] lessons
[02:37:00] It makes the lessons very obvious. It's just a it's these these battlefield metaphors is why I think
[02:37:08] People relate to what we talk about not because
[02:37:11] Because not because they they they they want to be you know soldiers not because they want to be in war
[02:37:18] But because they want to learn the lessons and it's a powerful way to learn them when you see them through the examples of
[02:37:25] combat
[02:37:29] So at this point
[02:37:32] in 2017
[02:37:35] year
[02:37:36] Kind of getting on step
[02:37:37] Yes, yeah, I was I was on step
[02:37:41] with
[02:37:43] the workload you know it started like I said after May it really started pick up
[02:37:47] And there's always a delay in what we do like hey there's a
[02:37:51] Jamey bag hey you got a bunch of kids coming around like cool she's like it's not until like November to Sammer January next time like okay cool
[02:37:56] Like I'm super happy or should they care I won that's in three weeks. I'm a guest book it right like it was just
[02:38:02] It was unique as unique situation that we're in
[02:38:05] You know we had the we had mustard zero zero three down an awesome Texas and that was
[02:38:11] It was awesome like that was a great
[02:38:14] mustard learned a lot and you know I
[02:38:18] Learned about my limitations and I remember I was just going going going going going going going because I had all the other stuff
[02:38:26] I was still doing and then and it wasn't until June that I would stop doing all the other things
[02:38:33] So I was doing everything with echelon front. I was doing all the shooting. I was doing the construction
[02:38:36] I was delivering the pizza as doing the never settle a pair
[02:38:39] I was doing all this I had buddies that were
[02:38:43] Back in Mississippi that refighting so I would wake up and I would train with them in the morning
[02:38:47] My buddy Jesse James Wallace
[02:38:49] Teddy Holder Zack under all these guys I had fights that were coming up out like yeah, let's train
[02:38:53] Let's all training the morning
[02:38:55] My buddy Dylan that was helping me out with stuff like it was trying to get him on the path for because he wanted
[02:39:00] You know to be able to go in the military and law enforcement and so I
[02:39:04] would
[02:39:05] Was doing a lot a lot a lot a lot which is good
[02:39:08] because I would see
[02:39:11] Your workload I would see lace workload and I knew
[02:39:16] What I needed to be doing and I've never been a friend of hard work like hard works a great thing
[02:39:20] I mean look at like you know my dad you know my my family like they're all about working hard
[02:39:25] And that's it's all I ever also knew in the military as well. I'm not saying I'm the hardest work
[02:39:31] I'm not saying that's the smartest work. I just I enjoy hard work. I have I love it
[02:39:35] And so I just was working hard working hard working hard and
[02:39:39] The valuable lesson that I learned at mr. 003 was I need to be comfortable with my limitations and
[02:39:47] Be who I am I was trying to be joccal in life
[02:39:50] Because that's all I thought that needed to do I thought if I was like joccal in life
[02:39:56] That's what would that's where I would have choose success. That's how I'd fit in on the team and set of
[02:40:02] focusing on
[02:40:04] being
[02:40:05] The best version of who I am being who God created like God created me a certain way
[02:40:10] I have a certain personality
[02:40:12] You know, I am I am made the way I am made for a reason
[02:40:16] Just like you're made the way you are for a reason you've been made able to
[02:40:21] Figure out exactly what makes you the most effective and you capitalize on that just like life has just like Dave has just like all the other members of the
[02:40:29] Eshelon front team are have or they're learning to do right and so at that point I
[02:40:36] I was
[02:40:38] Running myself into the ground and I remember one time I gave the analogy to somebody
[02:40:42] I said and this is so foolish on myself at the time is this just shows like image already in the in the business sense
[02:40:50] Of I give the analogy and I thought this was like a like a sense of honor right after I said
[02:40:57] I'm burning the candle at both ends and there's a flame torch over the middle like I'm just literally just burning at both ends
[02:41:03] And I'm torch in the middle of the candle. I'm just doing everything and
[02:41:08] It was super humbling because we're at the monster
[02:41:10] I spoke on that first day
[02:41:15] We you know PT we do the monster and we're doing our rehearsals that night and I just I remember like Jan and Jamie
[02:41:23] Rod J. P. are you okay? I'm like yeah, I'm good and life was like you good. I'm like I'm just
[02:41:29] I'm exhausted and he said okay, so we do our stuff and you guys were science certificates and books and so I was staying up there and
[02:41:36] I like Jamie's like go go get some rest. I'm not okay. So I go to my room block out the room
[02:41:43] set my alarm
[02:41:45] Call wake up call
[02:41:47] Set the alarm on my watch
[02:41:49] Set the alarms on my phone and you know from learn from your life. It's like you should always also travel with a battery powered alarm clock in case the power goes out
[02:41:57] Everything's dead like you can least wake up to that have that across the room. I mean, I think I had like five or seven like a alarm set
[02:42:04] And I wake up
[02:42:07] To the phone and I'm
[02:42:11] We're trying to figure out what's going on because the room is pitch black and I hear life is like hey
[02:42:15] It's life are you okay? And I first I thought I was like a dream and then I kind of like I sat up in the bed
[02:42:21] I realized I was like yeah, what's up? He's like or just want to make sure you're okay?
[02:42:26] Like yeah, I'm good and I looked at the clock and
[02:42:29] And as I look at the clock and processed the time
[02:42:35] He says hey, do you think you can make it downstairs?
[02:42:39] In 10 minutes though we can do some recording before the mustard starts
[02:42:43] I was like yes, sir, and I hung up the phone and it was like 740
[02:42:51] And PT had taken place at 445 with the whole
[02:42:55] The whole group and PT before that that we normally do had taken part at like 345 or 4 whatever time it was
[02:43:04] Because we PT before the group PT is in the group PT and I missed out on all that and I was
[02:43:10] So to be right in section and and everything and
[02:43:13] I mean late for wasn't like he wasn't like
[02:43:16] Screaming at me over the phone or anything else like that and he just knew make sure I was okay
[02:43:21] It's like hey, can you make it down here? I'm like yeah, and I just remember
[02:43:24] I had all my stuff lined up. I always have my stuff ready for the next day
[02:43:28] I'm not gonna you know because I know what could happen and so I remember I'm the jumper the shower
[02:43:33] And I am so mad at myself
[02:43:35] Like I am so upset with myself and disappointed and I said well you just screwed up the best thing you ever had
[02:43:44] Because I'm like this joc was gonna fire me
[02:43:48] I didn't know like you know like because I also understand there is no
[02:43:52] Slack with what we do it's been made very clear like hey, we don't miss events
[02:43:57] We don't drink on the road with clients. We don't do like there's a list of things that we just don't do
[02:44:03] And me missing a morning PT at the mustard is something that we don't do
[02:44:09] And so I go down there and
[02:44:12] You know I'm doing the recording with Joel and he was like hey man, miss you this morning. I'm like
[02:44:16] A little dig from Joel. Yeah, but he was you know, it's like that's not echo and that goes like hey man
[02:44:24] You good I'm like
[02:44:26] Oh
[02:44:28] I'm like you good driving I'm dreading seeing you in life and like you come around and you just have this big
[02:44:37] smile on your face
[02:44:39] Laughing like laughing right now
[02:44:41] You're like you good like yes, they're I was like I'm I don't what happened
[02:44:46] I was like I'm he's like a good just make sure good. He's like and then you told me like and then life comes up and he has his big smile
[02:44:53] He's like you good to go like yes, sir
[02:44:56] Then you guys are laughing you're like we were
[02:44:59] Jocco was joking about how we should just let you sleep until you woke up and just to see like what you would do
[02:45:05] Remember just the thought of that was like
[02:45:09] I don't know what I if I would have just kept sleeping and then woken up at like
[02:45:13] Whenever I don't know three o'clock in the afternoon for the closing of the buster
[02:45:19] I probably would have just gone straight to the airport right here's my two week notice
[02:45:22] It's been real thanks guys. No, I don't I don't know what I would have done
[02:45:26] I'm really glad you guys didn't do that because I would have been devastating and I just remember I had to like
[02:45:32] Recognize like you know what you need to find a little more balance and you know it's
[02:45:36] It's embarrassing that that's that's a humbling experience when you need to understand that you're at your
[02:45:44] Capacity because most people don't want to admit that and you know let
[02:45:51] Seth
[02:45:53] Was so dialed in with us the he knew our kit our capacities as individuals and that to me is just a sign of a great leader
[02:46:02] And you and life have always been able to do that with the guys that you guys work with and
[02:46:09] You guys
[02:46:10] understood what happened, you know, you know, and we we had a conversation and as a
[02:46:16] Sitting here joking and we're laughing and you guys are laughing
[02:46:19] There was also this like hey
[02:46:21] Like we need to know like a you good is everything okay like why did this happen type of the thing like because this can't happen on the road
[02:46:27] You know you can't be missing in a vet
[02:46:29] You know and so kind of push through that
[02:46:35] And then I had like five weeks off like had nothing booked and so I met I like at this time
[02:46:41] We're traveling a lot a lot of rental cars out of bunch of credits and so I we rented an SUV
[02:46:47] And we just traveled and we we we hit 13 states and we made herself our way out to California
[02:46:53] Just spend some time with my grandmother and then we worked our way down to Southern California
[02:46:58] I had an event Jeff McGreevy put on. It was a big individual ticket sale event for me to do a full day of training
[02:47:05] I was like a really cool thing that
[02:47:07] He's like hey
[02:47:09] You know we want the proceeds to be able to go towards this this
[02:47:13] Foundation that we have for the police officers in this region and you know we we discounted our price at echelon front to you know for us
[02:47:20] Be able to do that so they could
[02:47:22] Have as much they could go to this foundation as possible and it was cool because my
[02:47:26] Amanda the kids were able to come and they're able to see it and watch it and I
[02:47:31] I'll post it
[02:47:32] Probably the next week or two but I took a picture
[02:47:34] When they're there all three the kids were taking notes and you know
[02:47:38] I mean my daughters were born in 2012 this is
[02:47:41] 2017 so the girls are five right they're about five and a half years old and they're writing down
[02:47:48] Then economy of leadership when I was doing that slide and they're like writing down all the different things on it
[02:47:53] And it was it was really cool to see that and that event that Jeff put on it was awesome was very fulfilling
[02:47:59] And I was that's when I was starting to kind of just
[02:48:01] Things were clicking a little bit more and I was gaining more confidence in myself because I always
[02:48:08] Unfortunately even though I tend to be a very confident person and most aspects of my life
[02:48:13] When it came to speaking I was super insecure because I grew up with a speech and pediment
[02:48:17] I was in speech therapy all throughout school. I stutter and mix up my words
[02:48:21] I'm sure some people will hear it on the podcast like oh yeah, he said that instead of this like
[02:48:26] Laced give me real time feedback. We've been out at a vet. We'll have a break. He's like hey
[02:48:31] That word doesn't exist. He keeps saying it's not like oh
[02:48:36] Check okay, like I'll make sure that I don't say that
[02:48:40] There's all the things that you know he's been great on coaching me on like hey like try to make sure you're not saying this and doing this this way
[02:48:46] And but I always had that insecurity and you know just working through it and and
[02:48:53] Seeing the impact that we were delivering at Ashland front
[02:48:56] It was a very clear realization to myself that this isn't about me and it brought me back to when I was on the stage with life
[02:49:06] And he corrected my answer for the best you know anti snipers
[02:49:10] Here's the tank right and then again that was that realization like oh this isn't about what I did as a sniper's not about what we did and
[02:49:18] I was really starting to fully understand
[02:49:22] How much of an impact the echelon front was having was when I saw
[02:49:27] Like people driving
[02:49:29] Six hours just to meet you in life like they they couldn't afford the monster
[02:49:33] But they would drive just to come see you guys just to get their picture and say you guys restore their marriage and people that have you guys as signatures
[02:49:40] Tattooed on their forums they have good tattooed on their forums and discipline equals freedom and just I was really seeing like wow
[02:49:47] This is so much bigger than I thought it could be and I started to allow some doubt to creep in and saying
[02:49:56] I don't know if you deserve to be a part of this anymore because I was seeing how big it was and you know
[02:50:00] Dave is just crushing it and you guys are doing great things and just just it's incredible
[02:50:07] And that was it was you know another god thing is like that is about the time
[02:50:13] You know Seth and I were really starting to communicate a lot like you send me pictures of him
[02:50:18] I'll go and do and stuff or you know some videos and you know and you know
[02:50:23] Remember when him him tell me
[02:50:25] He's having a message he said hey I'm really proud of you
[02:50:43] Is that Jaco told me how well you're doing
[02:50:45] He's like I'm really proud of everything that Jaco life and you're doing you're doing awesome
[02:50:56] And I you know I still have those messages saved and I just it was
[02:51:02] It was again it was something that I needed right it was I think that we all need and
[02:51:07] We all need you know people in your life that are going to pour into you. They're going to feed you know
[02:51:11] feed into and and help you know with that confidence and that's what you guys have here at this gym
[02:51:15] That's what you guys have in your jitzie that's what we had in the seal teams
[02:51:19] That's what we have it actually on front and it was just
[02:51:22] Seth being Seth Seth being that that servant leader that serving others like I'm not in the military
[02:51:27] I haven't been in at this point. I haven't been in it for
[02:51:31] You know four you four and a half years like he's doing his thing
[02:51:34] He's and he's still taking the time to reach out and and say hey man
[02:51:38] I just want to let you know that I'm proud of you and
[02:51:43] for me
[02:51:47] For for wow I I really when I got out I try to push
[02:51:52] Myself away from all the guys
[02:51:53] Because I had a guilt forgetting out of the military
[02:51:56] I'm not being in the sealed teams
[02:51:58] The the guilt of me not being on that rooftop when Mikey jumped on the grenade is something I think about every
[02:52:04] Dingle day because again Mikey was one of my new guys that was overwatch there was supposed to be on
[02:52:11] And I didn't I wasn't there and
[02:52:13] There's
[02:52:15] Other buddies that have been killed and
[02:52:18] Me not being in situations and I felt like I should have been and
[02:52:23] And so for a long time I just pushed everybody away
[02:52:26] I wouldn't respond to people
[02:52:28] And I would make things up in my mind and regards to like well we're not even that close anyways or he
[02:52:33] You know, he doesn't even like me or you know
[02:52:36] Like he's pissed off of me about something I was legitimately making stuff up in my mind so that I would feel better for pushing people away
[02:52:45] And I tried to do that with Seth for a long time because I just had this
[02:52:50] immense amount of guilt
[02:52:54] And you know I doubted myself
[02:52:57] When I doubted him I doubted Jocca when I doubted everybody that I had worked for
[02:53:01] When when when Mikey was killed and I held on to that for a long time and
[02:53:10] Seth continued
[02:53:13] To this knock on the door, you know, he just continued to reach out and continue to rebuild those relationships
[02:53:19] And things were really good and
[02:53:22] Seth and I were talking and communicating and
[02:53:24] And you know he did a cross country trip on his on his motorcycle and he came through and we're able to link up and
[02:53:33] It was just it was great
[02:53:38] And then September 2017
[02:53:43] Life babbling is calling me
[02:53:46] Looked down and it's a picture of life and I and our and our rash guards when we were training in it in in New Jersey right you were teaching life and I
[02:53:52] Did you see it? New York at New York yeah for that FTX and
[02:53:58] It's just a great picture always makes him smile and so life's calling me I answer the phone. I'm all excited I'm like hey what's up off?
[02:54:05] He says hey J.P. and it was that hey J.P. call
[02:54:10] that I got in
[02:54:12] Handful of other times
[02:54:14] I just I knew something had happened
[02:54:17] And he informed me that Seth had passed away
[02:54:20] And I couldn't process it didn't make sense to me because that morning I was messaging with Seth
[02:54:29] And the last thing I had said to Seth was hit me up when you're done
[02:54:36] And so I was waiting to have a response from Seth
[02:54:42] And life tells me what happened
[02:54:45] And I'm gonna kid their coming up and they're trying to talk to me
[02:54:48] I'm trying to like push them away and say hey hold on I'm on the phone for work just give me a second and
[02:55:00] I get off the phone with life and I remember just like looking at the kids
[02:55:06] And I call a man that said hey can your can your parents come pick up the kids because she was working at her business at the time
[02:55:11] She had a business that she'd opened up and she said hey Seth says just passed away
[02:55:21] And she was trying to process it as well and it just didn't make sense to her
[02:55:27] And she said y'all how my parents come over and her parents come over and I just remember I was like
[02:55:35] Like I got the kids ready
[02:55:37] I
[02:55:40] Was like I was a coward I sat in the kitchen as a graphic kids
[02:55:47] I didn't even meet them at the door
[02:55:50] Because I didn't know what to do I I couldn't process that Seth had actually passed away. I was talking to him that morning
[02:55:58] Seth was my big brother. He was you know, we went there asking tea together we checked in the steel teams together and he always had my back
[02:56:05] I just couldn't fathom my brother passing away
[02:56:12] Is the way I looked at Seth's away that my little brother looks at me. You know I've always had my brother
[02:56:17] Course back and I always will and course always had mine that's the way Seth was to me and I just I couldn't
[02:56:23] I couldn't process it and I literally I just sat in the kitchen
[02:56:26] As they came into the house and I grabbed the kids and my father and la Jeff said I'm very sorry for you loss
[02:56:32] And they grabbed the kids and they laughed and my mother allowed look at me and she was you know
[02:56:37] Sad and she didn't really know it to say either it so you laughed them
[02:56:41] I tried to call jacco and
[02:56:44] Because I just knew what
[02:56:46] Seth meant to him that was his best friend and I just I was so worried about jacco
[02:56:51] and
[02:56:53] I couldn't get a hold of them understandably so
[02:56:57] And I called Jamie and I said hey
[02:56:59] Seth's I'm just passed away. I just want to give you the heads up
[02:57:05] You're gonna need to clear everything from jacco's calendar for a while
[02:57:09] I don't know what's going on. I don't know the process. I don't I don't know anything but
[02:57:13] I just want to give you heads up and choose like this is horrible
[02:57:17] She's like I'm so sorry
[02:57:19] And I said I just I want to give you the heads up because I don't know when you'll hear it from jacco
[02:57:23] But there's something that you need to know
[02:57:26] and then
[02:57:27] I just I started the phone tree of calling guys and everybody in our poll tuned
[02:57:32] Just trying to find numbers and get a hold of guys and
[02:57:35] Trying to process it through a different guy's just trying to understand it and you know it was
[02:57:44] Yeah, it was it was you know a big blow obviously to everybody that knew Seth
[02:57:50] Um, you know, it was weird because all of us had this open
[02:57:57] Period on our calendars at that time
[02:58:03] Maybe I'm super suspicious but every time I see a I'll look at all of our calendars and I'm always like making sure that there's never like a gap that's open for all of our calendars
[02:58:13] Because I know that doesn't make sense to people when you say God has a plan
[02:58:19] And our days are numbered
[02:58:22] But I believe in that and
[02:58:25] Seth
[02:58:27] Seth last a day was was already planned and God knew when that was gonna happen and I know it's hard to understand and process that because
[02:58:36] The world was a better place with Seth and he impacted so many lives and he made such an amazing difference and it does it just doesn't seem sense for him to be gone
[02:58:44] But God knew what was gonna happen and the fact that we all had that block open to be able to
[02:58:54] Do our events and and and make everything
[02:58:59] That we needed to do with the with the funeral and the different services was was was unique
[02:59:06] You know came came back to San Diego and you know
[02:59:11] Last time I was in my uniform was was for that and I was still within that window being able to wear my uniform and you know it was
[02:59:24] It was a powerful
[02:59:29] Even that seeing all the guys and
[02:59:31] You know I I was standing watch over Seth at the funeral home and
[02:59:41] Guys had different you know different watchers stand over and the command was
[02:59:49] That all these guys that were from Seal team through that were Rogered up to to stand watch over him and myself and a bunch of the other guys
[02:59:57] We're like no we're gonna stand watch over Seth that's like that's is what we need to be doing
[03:00:03] And the command was awesome these new guys are super fired up and square it away
[03:00:06] And very professional and they understand who Seth was and the impact that he had and and we're watching over the guys and I'm
[03:00:13] Where I was at the funeral home and
[03:00:16] Standing there and my uniform and the family members are coming in and and
[03:00:21] You're standing there at attention and you know people were saying hey, thank you
[03:00:24] Appreciate you being here and you know they're coming in and you just see the pain and you know the sorrow on on their faces and you see the see it
[03:00:31] And their bodies are walking up and you know family members that are getting close and they pause
[03:00:36] Because they don't want to actually walk inside that building and
[03:00:42] I remember seeing
[03:00:44] Life
[03:00:45] There and I remember seeing jocca walking up with this family
[03:00:48] And they they came to the outside and they were talking and
[03:00:56] Seeing each other and there's like the bro hugs and like the half hugs with family members and full hugs and and I'm just standing there and
[03:01:06] I remember
[03:01:09] As they were getting ready to walk in they they did what everybody else did is they there's that pause
[03:01:14] Because they knew once they walked in and it made it real
[03:01:23] And just like jocca was always done
[03:01:26] He had up chest out
[03:01:28] Takes a breath walks inside was his family
[03:01:33] Life does the same thing they go inside
[03:01:37] And I'm I'm just standing outside and
[03:01:40] And
[03:01:43] Everyone has their time in there. They pay their respects and then everyone leaves and it was
[03:01:51] Life I think it was life that pulled me in and it was just the three of us
[03:01:57] And
[03:02:01] We were we were paying our final respects to Seth
[03:02:05] This casco is open he's in his uniform
[03:02:07] And
[03:02:12] Life play some patches in there
[03:02:16] I took the bracelet that was off my wrist that had Mark's name and Mikey's name and Ryan jobes name on there
[03:02:23] And a handful of other guys that were on there and it took it off and I my place inside the casket
[03:02:28] I
[03:02:33] Remember just like just like touching the sess arm and just it's being real and
[03:02:39] You're just set it a quick little little prayer and
[03:02:44] Step back and
[03:02:46] Jocco went forward and he presented Seth was his black belt and
[03:02:51] There was some surf wax that was placed in there as well and it was completely silent and
[03:03:03] Jocco comes back
[03:03:05] We're kind of standing there and we just all kind of have our heads down, but we're kind of looking at each other and we're kind of looking at Seth and
[03:03:10] Jocco breaks a silence and he he just says a very simple but powerful statement he says
[03:03:23] We will not fail
[03:03:26] We will not fail Seth
[03:03:29] We will not fail the guys
[03:03:35] And that was it
[03:03:36] It was a very
[03:03:38] powerful statement that I
[03:03:41] Have thought about every single day since we laid Seth the rest
[03:03:49] Seth
[03:03:53] Never failed us
[03:03:57] And that's your work Jocco you went on to say as well as that Seth he said Seth never failed us
[03:04:02] We will not fail them and
[03:04:10] Then it was back to business as normal and it just reminded me of
[03:04:19] The teams
[03:04:22] It's obviously
[03:04:25] A horrible situation to lose somebody
[03:04:27] But we still have a mission that we have to achieve we still have to you push forward
[03:04:37] And that's exactly what our brothers would want us to do
[03:04:39] We cannot fail them
[03:04:54] Yeah, just to just to make sure everyone kind of knows that
[03:05:17] When JPC says you know, but then we'd moved on
[03:05:20] Just just make sure that everybody knows that
[03:05:26] You just don't get to move on. I mean you you have to but it doesn't feel like okay we can move on now and and I know I
[03:05:36] Unfortunately had to have had to speak about what you do when you lose someone and what it feels like and
[03:05:43] There's a reason why I've been able to talk about that and unfortunate reason is because I've lost a lot of friends and
[03:05:53] Seeing people lose friends and seeing the
[03:05:57] the
[03:06:01] The situation unfold not just from my own personal experience, but
[03:06:07] From watching other people go through it and you don't
[03:06:10] You you move on you have to but
[03:06:13] Don't think that you are gonna be everything normal in a week on a month or any year and
[03:06:25] That's just not the way leaders don't get to do that and you don't I don't want to do that
[03:06:30] I don't think anything ever goes back to normal. No because the normal is when they are with us
[03:06:40] And that's not a reality more and that is something that we all had to learn to
[03:06:45] To deal with and work through and
[03:06:48] You know when you're saying like had just want to be clear when JPC said to move on
[03:06:52] If you don't it's not like you move on like that it never happened and you forget
[03:06:56] It
[03:06:58] Like when we came back from our body, you know you come back from that deployment from our body
[03:07:03] And when you come back from like we've talked to like every company who talked to we always ask I hate what you come back from that
[03:07:08] I don't want to like that with there's a lot of anger. There's a lot of frustration. There's darkness
[03:07:12] There's guilt. There's all those things, but if that's all you focus on
[03:07:17] Where does it get you?
[03:07:19] It gets you nowhere it gets you absolutely nowhere in life and
[03:07:21] The the conversation that you had with life and I about us not failing them
[03:07:28] Is something that I hope
[03:07:30] Everybody can just truly understand and and and and realize that hey
[03:07:35] You can live your life in a way to honor them and
[03:07:38] Maybe it's not to honor our brothers. Maybe it's not to honor anybody in the military
[03:07:42] But there's somebody in your life
[03:07:44] Somebody a sacrifice something so that you can at least be in the situation that you're in and you can live your life to honor them
[03:07:52] You can live your you can live your life
[03:07:57] One or two ways you can allow to fall apart or you can you can build it up and you can you can move forward
[03:08:04] With your mission to achieve your mission and that's what a lot of veterans struggle with is understanding
[03:08:11] How can you even have a mission?
[03:08:15] You've experienced all this loss you've experienced all this devastation how do you actually
[03:08:23] Find a new mission? How do you find a new way? How do you stay on the path? How do you even get back on the path?
[03:08:29] And the loss of Seth was obviously devastating to everybody that knew him
[03:08:33] You know I choose to remember his laugh. I choose to remember that smile
[03:08:40] How he would come up and he would just like he would always like and it's like slap me on the back and kind of grab my trap and just like
[03:08:46] Just a little shake and you're just like you such a strong powerful guy when you do that you're like
[03:08:51] Okay, you know, but
[03:08:54] You know and he was
[03:08:56] He always he always was taking care of people and I think if we can try to live our lives
[03:09:04] Somewhere that and just try to be like
[03:09:08] Seth and Mikey and Mark and Ryan and you know all the other guys that we've lost and I just I
[03:09:14] Really believe that if people can understand
[03:09:18] The situations at the end and how good that they have it and to be thankful for the opportunities that they have
[03:09:27] They'll achieve what they want in our life and for me that's
[03:09:31] I think a big learning point that I had over these last four years was just maintaining
[03:09:38] The gratitude mindset that I had
[03:09:40] Of just being thankful for the opportunities and you know that's that's why we moved to Texas
[03:09:48] It was because I knew that if I was essentially located it would be the best thing for echelon front for travel and just of
[03:09:54] Being able to interact with as many clients as possible and it was either gonna be essentially located in Texas or San Diego
[03:10:00] Here with you, right so
[03:10:02] Life was in Texas you were in San Diego. I knew Dallas Fort Worth was an amazing airport
[03:10:07] It was gonna be good for travel
[03:10:09] And so that's why we moved we moved from Mississippi to be to be essentially located for what we perceived was the best
[03:10:16] Resh lawn front because it was so grateful for this opportunity and
[03:10:22] I wanted to make the absolute best of
[03:10:26] What we had and then as as a company's grown
[03:10:28] You know went from just being a
[03:10:31] Instructor and a speaker to we had the opportunity after mr
[03:10:34] 004 in San Diego when we're like kind of defining okay roles and responsibilities as a company's growing
[03:10:42] You know and you guys you know
[03:10:44] May me the director of our experiential leadership training program all the hands-on scenario based leadership training that we do and
[03:10:50] You know, I this was another big opportunity that I had you know and I understood the potential and I understand how important it was with the company and
[03:10:58] You know just to be able to
[03:11:00] Grow a department within national on front was it's it's been amazing it's been a great learning experience for myself and
[03:11:07] You know making sure that as we're growing the company, you know
[03:11:11] You'll brought on Cody
[03:11:13] He's been helping to run he was like the operations manager for all the field training exercises that we brought and he's a you know
[03:11:20] Former Marine he's super square it away
[03:11:22] Came out to one of the first big FTX is that we're doing we had a group of super square away guys there and
[03:11:27] You know he really stepped up and and took ownership of of the team or the scenarios of the training understood it and
[03:11:34] You know he was also in a position where we could provide him like hey here's the here's opportunity
[03:11:40] We have we'd love to have you come on full board with the team
[03:11:44] You know and so throughout 2000 you know 18 you'll grow in the out the FTX program
[03:11:50] Speaking travel in a bunch 2019
[03:11:53] Same thing like crazy busy bunch of FTXs
[03:11:55] Seeing the growth of the team, you know Dave growing up
[03:11:59] Growing out the leadership development alignment programs and just the partnerships with all the different companies that we had it was
[03:12:06] you know
[03:12:08] It's just been crazy to see that see their transition and you know obviously us talk about Seth is let's that's the heavy deep topic
[03:12:16] But it's
[03:12:17] Part of these last four years and you know the last four years has been an
[03:12:21] An amazing opportunity that I am forever thankful and grateful to you and life for giving me and
[03:12:29] You and life always say it and I believe it and it's only getting started and
[03:12:39] The impact that
[03:12:42] The book
[03:12:44] Extreme ownership and the economy of leadership that you and life wrote to see the impact to see it
[03:12:51] Changing people's lives. I mean there's been people that have lost a hundred plus pounds
[03:12:54] There's been people that have regained their marriages. There's been companies that came and reached out to you and life and said hey
[03:13:01] This is our last ditch effort if we don't fix something we're going in out of business and to see them be able to apply the principles
[03:13:08] It laws a combat the mindsets of victory to understand the different dichotomies that we all experience as individuals and as leaders
[03:13:14] To see them apply those things and see them to turn around their personal and professional lives
[03:13:19] It's just been an incredible and
[03:13:25] Knowing
[03:13:26] Where we will be going with you know EFR line to see that grow and develop into what it is right now. I mean the the value and
[03:13:35] echelon front
[03:13:38] Material is just
[03:13:40] It's it's hard to private to figure that out. I mean just because
[03:13:43] You're talking about on one of the sessions the other day. It's like hey, we didn't know what at the beginning and then you know the market kind of you know
[03:13:50] Dick takes that for us and we understand the demand
[03:13:52] And but to see the value that people are getting from EFR line is is absolutely incredible
[03:14:00] And to see the old apps that that Dave is created and overwatch and everything that Mike's really has been doing over there
[03:14:07] And to see the impact of placing veterans and how it ties back to echelon front and you know
[03:14:12] EFR battlefield that you know Steve and Jason are Mike just created and just man
[03:14:16] I was I was a little sad that I wasn't there. I mean I understood that I didn't need to be there
[03:14:20] I could tell you were getting all jealous and felt like you were missing out you like hey
[03:14:23] What was it and I and that actually Dave was the same way and
[03:14:26] Both you guys were like oh, how was it you know like and you are hoping that I was gonna say
[03:14:31] Oh, it's fine
[03:14:32] No, and I was like it was awesome. No, I was
[03:14:34] I don't throw that you guys know I don't throw that around easily. Yeah
[03:14:38] When I because because the EF battlefield is awesome. It's awesome. It's amazing and yeah
[03:14:44] I could tell both you guys like oh, how was it?
[03:14:46] And I'm not saying you are hoping it was bad, but it hurt when I said it was freaking awesome
[03:14:52] Dave asked me the question immediately
[03:14:55] He goes he goes oh, he goes oh, how is the EF battlefield and I go it was freaking awesome and he goes
[03:15:00] He has battlefield like he re-ass me the question to make sure that
[03:15:04] That he was actually hearing it. He was you know, I mean he's super stoked and he's gonna be I mean everyone's gonna be stoked
[03:15:11] What do you go do it? It was yeah, it was like the you know the field training exercises when you and life came out and saw
[03:15:18] What what and progressed into and what we're doing out up and Michigan with our large client up there like for you and life
[03:15:23] Both to be like
[03:15:24] This is awesome. And just to see the impact and now like I mean
[03:15:29] Just to it's crazy to see what's happened over the last four years
[03:15:33] I mean we haven't even talked about just you know what we've been able to do with origin and Jochofuel
[03:15:38] I mean
[03:15:39] I mean it's ridiculous. I have a sour apple sniper
[03:15:43] Discipline go drink sitting in front of me with my signature on the sock
[03:15:47] I mean the go time series that they did that little mini documentary
[03:15:51] I mean that has 2.2 million views on YouTube organically
[03:15:57] Like that's all organic and just it's it's crazy
[03:16:01] I was talking my buddy Michael and a few other people my you know to my best friends in Texas
[03:16:06] Steven little and Dane you know and Dane's helped out with FTXs and he's how brought came out to the musters and you know
[03:16:11] Just my really close friends understanding like what's been happening and what's going on and it's just incredible
[03:16:19] I mean to see the situation where four years ago
[03:16:24] We had no money and
[03:16:26] And now like as we're looking to buy a house
[03:16:31] We're in a situation that it's pure comfort. It's it's a completely different scenario
[03:16:36] I mean the coronavirus hit not once have I ever been in a stressed situation over finances
[03:16:43] When this all hit I gave you an update of my status and you're like, okay, I feel good to go and I let life know and it was
[03:16:50] You know how I am with my finances. I'm very private. I don't like people knowing what I make
[03:16:55] I don't I just I'm not like that. I've never been like that
[03:16:58] I don't like the people on social media that are like bragging about like I made this much money
[03:17:03] Well, I smell who cares like okay cool great
[03:17:06] I'm not like that but I knew that I had to give you guys that situation update of like hey, you know what
[03:17:12] Everything and life since day one he's been
[03:17:15] amazing
[03:17:16] working with me on hey
[03:17:18] Investments savings, you know, just making sure that I knew it was being taken care of being studios with my money and and
[03:17:25] And I've been very studios with her with our savings and just the our lifestyle. It's not crazy
[03:17:29] And we're in the situation tour when all this hit I told you I was like I
[03:17:35] Can have no income for the next year and not have to change our lifestyle
[03:17:39] Now what I
[03:17:41] Do that no of course. I'm gonna change my lifestyle. I'm gonna be a little more fruitful and and you know
[03:17:47] We're gonna be a little more you know tedious over here and but you know we've been able to tie
[03:17:52] We've been able to to give to different charities and different foundations and you know
[03:17:57] I mean it's it's been nice to be able to to be in the situation that we're in and
[03:18:03] It just comes down to I mean
[03:18:06] What you've always talked about is discipline equals freedom and life is always taking the time
[03:18:11] To work with me on that you've had
[03:18:14] In-depth conversations with me on this. I mean I know a couple of times I've called and we get done with a call and I look at them
[03:18:19] Like that was an hour and a half call. I'm really glad chocolate doesn't charge me his out of the rate because
[03:18:25] Homey couldn't afford that one, but you know, I just it's it's incredible, you know
[03:18:30] and
[03:18:32] Always super thankful of all the blessings that God's have given me
[03:18:35] But I also understand
[03:18:38] That you have to work for stuff
[03:18:40] You have to work and I saw the opportunity and I knew that I had to go all in I had to go all in with you guys
[03:18:48] And by me going all in being 100% committed to what you guys
[03:18:54] And built in respecting that and like Dave and I we've always we always talk with the other instructors
[03:19:00] Any new instructors are like hey, this is joccon-laced company that they've built we are a part of it
[03:19:05] But everything we do has has to honor and respect what they've built and
[03:19:09] And we understand how important that is and
[03:19:13] Just how did that mindset and to see that Cody and Cali on the FTX team they have that same mindset when Cody will call me about different stuff for an FTX
[03:19:22] And and my default answer or my default answer to his question is and he knows this
[03:19:28] But he's always he's just making sure we're aligned with stuff because there's certain things he knows like hey
[03:19:33] He has to let me know
[03:19:34] Is there certain things he just hey FY this is what I did I'm like cool good good to go is the answer is
[03:19:41] What will deliver the absolute best training to our client and
[03:19:45] Whatever that is within the reason
[03:19:48] That's what we do we always take care of the client
[03:19:52] We always make sure the client has the absolute best training the absolute best experience no matter what that's what we will always do
[03:19:59] We don't cut corners we don't we will always do what's best for the client if that means that
[03:20:05] You know
[03:20:06] Training's gonna run long and we're gonna catch a flight the next day and we've been gone for two weeks
[03:20:12] No factor we're not flying home early. We don't cut training early so we can get on a flight to get back home
[03:20:17] You know, we will spend time you know that's we will always take care of the client and it's
[03:20:23] It's awesome to see what we're getting ready to launch with the individual FTX program and
[03:20:28] you know that this is an opportunity to wear
[03:20:33] Is let's say a company they're not large enough to have a full field training exercise
[03:20:38] They they just can't afford it. They can't bring you know
[03:20:40] They don't have enough people to do it. Well what they can do is they can
[03:20:44] Send a few of their leaders to this individual FTX or let's say it's an individual like echo and echo's like hey
[03:20:50] It's just me like we see people come to the muscle. They just come by themselves because they want to
[03:20:54] Have more hands on the of the train they've read the book
[03:20:59] It's some dad that wants to be a better dad, right? We've met people that I hate we just want to be better parents
[03:21:04] That's what became the master. Oh my god. That's awesome
[03:21:07] They can sign up for the individual FTX and it's gonna be you know
[03:21:12] There's different tiers to it, but it's gonna be the one tier that we know that we're absolutely launching is
[03:21:20] That it's gonna be two days of field training exercises and you know, it's gonna be a small group
[03:21:27] 30 or less people within that group and it's gonna be two full days of field training exercises
[03:21:32] Where they're we're putting them in stressful situations. It's all scenario based
[03:21:37] They're gonna all rotate through different positions of leadership and we're gonna give them intel and
[03:21:42] They're gonna take that intel and they're gonna plan their mission and their mission is gonna be a
[03:21:46] Capture commission or you know, they're gonna go do a presence patrol through a different area
[03:21:51] It's the same scenarios and same training or not same very similar to the same type of training that we ran in the sealed teams
[03:21:59] And each of these scenarios are gonna be driven to enforce the leadership principles that we teach at echelon front
[03:22:07] The laws are combat the mindsets of victory the different dichotomies that you experience as a leader
[03:22:11] You're gonna feel it real time in training and that's what we saw was so impactful
[03:22:16] The sealed teams was actual hands-on training when you can feel that stress
[03:22:19] We can feel that pressure when you have to make a decision and people are gonna see void the leadership
[03:22:25] And they're gonna see why it's important to step up and make a call even when you're not in that position of leadership
[03:22:30] You're gonna see decentralized command working and decentralized command not working. You're gonna feel your communication
[03:22:37] Not being effective and you're gonna come back and you know
[03:22:41] You're gonna you know be frustrated and talk to the difference
[03:22:44] Nothing like life is talking the other day on the EF online. We we hate when I were laughing at one of the FTXs
[03:22:49] Because the OIC goes squad one on the left squad one on the right and I was like like nobody was moving. He knows anything like
[03:22:57] And I remember one of the squad leaders like you just said squad one on the left squad one on the right like what would you want
[03:23:03] And they're getting all frustrated or they'll make a call out and they're like the enemies over there
[03:23:08] And I always be like over there over there over there like kind of like just kind of like hey
[03:23:13] What cardinal direction is the enemy coming from like
[03:23:18] They're on the right side of the building. I'm like you're right my right or two different
[03:23:22] Our hundred reaction. He's not right now. He's like
[03:23:25] Westside and so people actually understand
[03:23:29] That they're not very good at communicating in stressful situations and
[03:23:32] And with the companies that we've done it for I mean, I remember we've we've been in there
[03:23:37] I don't remember if you're that the one and the mission again where one of the
[03:23:42] Corporate leaders was saying you know what?
[03:23:44] I need to a better job communicating with the union workers out in the field. I recognized that my communication sucks
[03:23:51] And I have failed to build a relationship and then one of the union leaders steps up and goes
[03:23:57] Hey, that's actually our fault because I could have come and built a relationship
[03:24:01] And you're just seeing it like we're a company where at the beginning and when we were working with them
[03:24:06] Union and corporate hated each other. They were like screaming at each other in the in the classroom before we started the training
[03:24:12] And I was like and blaming each other. It was in saying the amount of blame was crazy
[03:24:18] And then you see that that culture start to shift and change from these field training exercises
[03:24:24] Because it's very humbling because everybody out there says oh
[03:24:27] I've got this and they're playing the mission and they're just gonna be they think they're gonna come in and impress us
[03:24:33] Everybody thinks they're general George Patton. Yes until the laser things starts beef and on their shoulder
[03:24:39] And they realize what's up. I always say
[03:24:42] You know that the training that we ran it trade at was the best leadership laboratory
[03:24:49] I actually have changed this statement. I used to say it was one of the best leadership laboratories in the world
[03:24:53] I actually think that it was the best leadership laboratory in the world ever and
[03:25:00] Because and not just the best leadership laboratory, but also the best leadership
[03:25:05] Instruction because when you're in those situations you learn them and it's it's they they smack you in the face and
[03:25:12] You either address them or you get smack to again and when you get smack to them
[03:25:17] It's so obvious what you did wrong
[03:25:19] Here's the hey listen to that listen to the recording of what you were just saying squad one on the left squad one on the right
[03:25:26] Listen that record it now. Do you think you were attached when you're doing that?
[03:25:29] Do you think you were getting emotional a little bit? Do you think you had a step back? No?
[03:25:33] So that's what it feels like and there's so that's why you know getting this FTX program off the ground
[03:25:40] It's just a phenomenal way to drive these lessons home in the same way that they got driven home
[03:25:46] Awesome and if it seems this is this is the this is the kind of cool thing you might think well
[03:25:52] How the heck are we supposed to you know for you work at a financial company or you work at an insurance company or you work at a
[03:25:58] Construction company
[03:25:59] We don't know anything about tactics how are we gonna go you know do a mission on a presence patrol through a street it's
[03:26:06] You spend a few hours learning these basic principles so basic just and there's nothing it's common sense right?
[03:26:12] It's common sense it's also the laws combat cover move keep things simple prioritize next your decentralized command
[03:26:18] That's what you're gonna learn and then you learn how to apply it very quickly and when you make mistakes
[03:26:22] Believe me those those mistakes that you make are the best ways to learn that you're ever gonna get
[03:26:29] So it's awesome and and then the the EF battlefield
[03:26:34] You get to your automatically basically what happens in the EF battlefield
[03:26:37] You're watching the mistakes, but you can see the mistakes made by the leaders and what they did well what they did wrong and you're kind of detached from it
[03:26:43] So you again you get to see these things first hand and you get to stand where that leader stood and
[03:26:50] See what that leader saw in that particular situation and those are all
[03:26:54] powerful that yeah, that's why we call it
[03:26:57] experiential learning because you are experiencing
[03:27:00] What a leader experiences and and that's the best possible way to learn yeah, it's a
[03:27:22] You know and and the other echelon front instructors that come out and help out on the FTXs and just
[03:27:28] Seeing everybody being able to work together and just delivering the best training
[03:27:35] Ever and I would a little biased, but not what I mean that's not but that's not just us saying
[03:27:43] This is what our clients have said this is I mean the feedback that we get constantly from from people all the time and just
[03:27:52] when you see the
[03:27:54] The culture of a huge company drastically shift and change and they're saying hey
[03:28:00] This is because of the field training program like I remember working with one company where there was just
[03:28:06] The racial division was was very unfortunate and it was very real and I remember seeing it in
[03:28:14] In one of the headquarters that we were visiting and working with then
[03:28:19] Seeing that change
[03:28:21] After FTXs where they're working together and they're understanding how important their roles and
[03:28:26] Responsibilities are each other and just see them starting an intermingle and talk with each other and just just see those
[03:28:32] Where it was to where it that now was just was incredible and it was it was so powerful
[03:28:38] You know, these will be available in the very near future
[03:28:41] If somebody goes to echelon front dog individual yes, yes, I just explained that to everybody
[03:28:47] In the past what we've done is if you want you got to bring your company you got to bring a company people
[03:28:52] So you got to bring 20 or 40 or 100 people and we run this FTX program
[03:28:57] It's sort of like the monster. That's what we used to just do consulting for companies and and
[03:29:04] I realized the shortfall was we were cut now
[03:29:06] You know if you had three people in a company you can't bring in echelon front to do leadership training
[03:29:11] I said let's bring everyone together that wants to do this training and a one big group and we'll do a training form
[03:29:15] That's the monster that's the same thing with the with the individual FTX's you know
[03:29:19] Whether you bring two or three people from your team four or five people from your team or you just come by yourself
[03:29:25] Either any of those scenarios. It's like okay now
[03:29:28] We're gonna learn we're gonna learn these leadership lessons at a at a
[03:29:33] Deep level at a granular level that's gonna be
[03:29:37] That's gonna be burned on to your soul
[03:29:39] And it's awesome and the cool thing is like these the first ones use the pilot program that people are gonna be able to you know
[03:29:46] Be a part of it's like being a part of like muster zero zero one like those are plank owners and people are gonna be
[03:29:52] Plank owners of the individual FTX's
[03:29:55] You know we were talking last night, you know
[03:29:57] You're dinner table about the two different tiers that we know that we're gonna definitely do one like I said
[03:30:02] It's just the the two full days of training and it's just gonna be
[03:30:06] Run after run after run after run after run I mean you can be you're gonna have so many runs like somebody's gonna say
[03:30:12] Hey, I'm gonna have to sit this one out and somebody's listening. Oh, yeah, right and I guarantee you it's going to happen
[03:30:18] Because it's just the amount of
[03:30:20] Of scenarios that we're gonna throw is it's gonna be incredible and the the actual
[03:30:25] Learning fundamentals that you're gonna gain from those two days is there's nothing out there
[03:30:31] Like it right now. There's nothing out there and then the next tier
[03:30:34] It's gonna be a little bit longer. It'll be three days
[03:30:36] You know it'll be
[03:30:38] With with that group of 30 30 or less and you know, it'll be one day of
[03:30:43] You know there'll be like round table discussions getting to know the unique
[03:30:48] differences of the different businesses that
[03:30:51] Talking through the different problems that people are going through and actually diving deep into their principles and and addressing it with a group and having
[03:30:58] All the different individuals that are there actually contributing to
[03:31:01] Like the leadership principles that we talk about and solve because as you see from EF online
[03:31:07] I mean you look at the chat. I mean people are solving problems for each other people ask a question and there's
[03:31:12] 20 responses and so that's what that next tier is gonna be like is where they're gonna come in
[03:31:16] We're gonna have that you know how the group dinner morning PT's day of runs dinner morning PT
[03:31:23] Day of runs and then like a kind of like a final like recapping everything of
[03:31:28] Of of of round table and that might be that might be a three three and a half day type of
[03:31:33] Situation but for the individual program, you know people go to echelon front.com
[03:31:39] We'll have the information up there by time this podcast is out
[03:31:43] You know, it's
[03:31:45] Just standby. It's gonna be awesome. Stand by to come and get some yes
[03:31:49] Speaking of getting some I think we've been going for three and a half hours here
[03:31:54] So
[03:31:56] Bro thanks for coming back on I want to say the reason it's I guess maybe it's pretty obvious because people like when you have a JP back on
[03:32:03] I'm like oh, it's soon as we can get together and
[03:32:06] There you have it you look at your hits casually look at my schedule and guess when we're getting together
[03:32:09] Oh, it only took four years
[03:32:11] There was a couple opportunities we had
[03:32:14] We're like at the master we couldn't I think at one master we were trying to pull it off and then like we'd be at the master and it'd be zero sleep and just total mayhem
[03:32:22] Especially at the earlier masters when we weren't we weren't as square the way as we should be we should have been on the back end and
[03:32:30] We just need to type we need to type things up. We need to learn and that's what we did but yeah, so that's why it took so long
[03:32:36] but
[03:32:37] For you can thanks for coming back on and we'll try not let's at least aim for
[03:32:43] Do that even want to say
[03:32:44] 346
[03:32:46] That's a two years away. No, we want that happen
[03:32:49] Yeah, dude awesome to have you back on thank you as usual
[03:32:54] Okay
[03:32:56] Thank you. Thank you
[03:33:04] Equatrolls yes
[03:33:06] What questions lots of lessons there lots of lessons learned from JP lots of lessons learned about how to get better how to get back on the path
[03:33:14] Mm-hmm
[03:33:18] Got any suggestions for him? Well, yeah, that's the most suggestions me
[03:33:22] So you're gonna be being on the path. I guess or whatever
[03:33:26] That was made through a whole JP which made it through the whole podcast and we need to talk about your jitsu
[03:33:30] That's kind of crazy
[03:33:32] I can bring it up
[03:33:34] Actually
[03:33:35] I'm gonna say I'm like wow, well, I just said it's been three and a half hours and all of a sudden we're about to add into their two hours
[03:33:45] Remember at the master when you slept in or whatever
[03:33:48] What was the what was the diagnosis there? You're just like what sleep deprived freaking exhaust is wicked dire
[03:33:57] Yeah, that's so undiagnosed but wasn't it kind of refreshing that like because I'd done that before
[03:34:02] I'm not gonna say when whatever, but let's just say that's happened to me where it's like oh, sure
[03:34:06] You look at the clock you're like man. I missed like a bunch of stuff
[03:34:09] So then you got to sort of reenter the situation
[03:34:12] You know, so that into suspicion is like it's kind of nerve-racking to say the least so then in your case
[03:34:18] You got to reenter with jockel and life
[03:34:20] Not to mention everybody else sort of waiting for you. Sorry to all right
[03:34:24] So I know you're mad at yourself of course jpe's mad at himself well, but everything but how much of a refreshing
[03:34:34] scenario was it that like they were kind of laughing and smiling?
[03:34:38] I'd it changed everything totally does right?
[03:34:41] Completely changed everything. Yeah, man. It's like it's the worst because like what if what if like they didn't say anything
[03:34:47] They just like okay jpe's back, but then you kind of sense just a little bit of you know
[03:34:53] Like they're a little bit short with you or something like that it's like that's like an added double triple torture right there
[03:34:59] Yeah, he can't do that. It's like doesn't I didn't mean to help you, you know
[03:35:02] But if so I'm sensing or I'm at least getting this indication
[03:35:07] I know that you feel some level of guilt about being late
[03:35:11] Is that factual because I'm not I'm not seeing that bro
[03:35:14] No, well, why if you're talking about today my one minute late Brad
[03:35:18] I'm at 45 oh that was early, Brad that's early for me brown from quiet one minute late. You know, it's not bad
[03:35:26] Early bird gets it's the worm
[03:35:29] So I'm on podcast you said you come from a long line of people
[03:35:37] I mean you did 23 and me here DNA came up late
[03:35:41] Yeah, yeah, so it was very clear the late marker on now and this yeah
[03:35:49] Anyway
[03:35:50] What I'm not laid on is my reentry to the jockel fuel discipline a
[03:35:56] Freaking routine
[03:35:59] You're in the game in the ground in the game. Oh, I even talk about this. Okay, so
[03:36:05] We're talking about
[03:36:07] Joint warfare krill oil discipline. That's all cool join warfare krill oil vitamin D maybe some cold war. That's good, right?
[03:36:14] We talked about that all the time. We got JP here. Oh, we'll get to JP. He happens to have our apple
[03:36:22] Signature
[03:36:24] But here okay, so but the joint warfare thing here and here's the thing like I mean, you know
[03:36:29] We take it every day. I do know about you. I take it every day or whatever
[03:36:35] And it like I said I said before where it's like always on my mind
[03:36:38] Right, so I kind of explore like why is it always on my mind?
[03:36:42] And you came up with a freeze or a line of whatever you call it
[03:36:48] The beatings are the darkness the gains are the light
[03:36:53] Okay, I thought those were you
[03:36:54] You don't want to set that interesting anyway
[03:36:57] So the the point is this is why because when you're young and JP looking fit strong fit you know
[03:37:05] Usually a good sign in life when you're looking at the feeling strong fit
[03:37:09] But you know when you're young you're like okay, you know my big muscle my big muscles as you gain maturity
[03:37:14] You figure out like the underlying foundations of things are
[03:37:19] Usually proved to be more important and the underlying foundations of gains is
[03:37:24] Skeletal and tissue strength strength instability exactly right
[03:37:30] I went back completely correct. Yeah, so yeah, when you take those beatings
[03:37:37] And you want to get those that recovery the gains your joints are one of the many things that take beatings
[03:37:44] Do you spell gains with a Z?
[03:37:46] No, sir, no, are you sure I'm positive? Yes, and me and P.D. You spell gains with a Z?
[03:37:51] No, no, no, no, no, I was talking to Pete I can't think I can spell gains with a Z
[03:37:57] Okay, and but that's maybe that be maybe that's just my own little sort of you know gains
[03:38:07] Yeah, no, no, yeah, no, I was talking to Pete or
[03:38:10] Maybe both of them Brian and we're talking about the word gains. It's like oh
[03:38:16] That was a self-avelation
[03:38:18] No, it's the only thing that's on the end of the game. It's a real thing, right?
[03:38:25] Yeah, just like Z in the end of a lot of other words like boys me and my boys and you put a Z
[03:38:31] He's like, bro, don't don't do that, but you didn't say me and my boys like that's not a violation
[03:38:36] If it's like you know interesting I just understand why people go out of their way to miss spell works
[03:38:40] Yeah, Brad today. It's it's interesting for sure
[03:38:43] Maybe like your individual expression, you know
[03:38:46] Either way, nonetheless. Yeah, okay, so take these things take take these things keep yourself in the game. That's important
[03:38:53] But what what good is it if you're like muscles are super strong, but your joints can't hold it's like having a nice house with no freaking
[03:39:02] Foundation agreed, bro, we're framing metaphor received
[03:39:07] Anyway, so back to the
[03:39:09] Back to the sour apple sniper okay JP, so why did we?
[03:39:17] Um, shoot sour apple a sour apple
[03:39:22] It's just a flavor that I've always enjoyed as a kid like I really like the sour apple
[03:39:27] flavors of different candy and and stuff. I would eat as a kid the jolly ranchers
[03:39:31] Those those
[03:39:33] They're like karma like there's like sour green apple with a caramel like yeah, I just I've always really liked it
[03:39:40] But honestly it was I talked to Brian because you know, it came out with Dakota Myers play Redax out of which is legit
[03:39:48] It's really good and
[03:39:51] No, I
[03:39:53] Brian is the same way that you guys are about business is he's not gonna like commit or say something
[03:40:00] ahead of it. He's just more reserved on it and I I had kind of talked about like what about like
[03:40:07] You know different like signature flavor like you know kind of like one for me or other people would you guys be open to it?
[03:40:13] And he's like well, we kind of got to see how these flavors do we just you want to see if there's even a demand and how it goes and obviously
[03:40:21] What you know the projection of what he's been doing you know
[03:40:24] P and Brian both with origin in soccer field and you guys is the growth. It's just it's incredible to see it and be a part of it
[03:40:31] And so you know just kind of let it be with that conversation talk to Pete about it a little bit and
[03:40:39] You know
[03:40:40] They had asked like what would you think for the flavor in the name and I gave him a
[03:40:45] name and a flavor and then I go ahead dig that
[03:40:47] Kind of didn't go anywhere and then it was in you know January and I kind of brought it up again to Brian
[03:40:56] I said you know I was like you know I'm thinking about what if it was like
[03:41:00] Sarah Apple sniper I was trying to come up with the name that would be unique so fully can't you fully you
[03:41:07] Sarah Apple sniper that's what you did that's yes, yes, and
[03:41:10] And because the other name that I come up with was it worked well and I still like it's a good flavor
[03:41:17] It's a good name what your other name there's another idea. What was it?
[03:41:22] What would you talk about it offline?
[03:41:24] Well, but someone might steal it something like that good. Oh, yes, and so
[03:41:30] Camo Sarah was sniper and Brian was like okay, I like the name
[03:41:33] He said I just you know a star Apple. I don't know how that will do it was like flavor in a drink and I said okay
[03:41:38] Yeah, I was like that makes sense and we're kind of talking through it and
[03:41:42] It was just I was like hey, I'm not trying to be the good idea fairy
[03:41:45] Like I don't want to just be like coming to you with all these like hey
[03:41:48] I have another good idea and it's expected you'd execute it. I'm like I want to help
[03:41:52] Let me know what I can do like if there's an idea and then just you know kept
[03:41:56] Conversations about it and then it just became a reality where you know Brian like reached out to me
[03:42:00] It was like hey, you know think about this and it was going to start working on your flavor. Oh, okay cool
[03:42:05] And I think Brian Brian got excited about it when some of the manufacturers came back to him like
[03:42:11] That's a great idea and like there is a couple different companies that were wanting to kind of like
[03:42:16] bid for being able to do it. I guess or wanted to be a part of it and then we got the first couple rounds of flavors and
[03:42:23] It was okay. This is good
[03:42:25] But it was make this tweak and a couple different tweaks and then jocco gaming feedback is like
[03:42:29] Actually, it was really like it. It was actually good. It gives you the feedback and then
[03:42:36] Yeah, and then just kind of tweaked it from there and then
[03:42:40] They were able to execute obviously there are some delays with you know the whole coronavirus thing and
[03:42:46] Cross-ination, but I mean
[03:42:48] Came out you know jocco Palmer came out and there was a jet flavor and
[03:42:52] And you know, it's like really good flavor. Oh man, Sarah was coming after that like
[03:43:00] But yeah, I'm really super happy with the flavor. I mean the amount of support has been incredible like amount of people like
[03:43:07] Set in me messages. I had just ordered six cases or had just ordered you know four pack to try out and then the order of four pack to try it out
[03:43:15] They tried and then they're that same week ordering a case and you know
[03:43:19] I think it should be available on Amazon soon vitamin shop should be getting there's soon in the game as well
[03:43:26] They have the other flavors
[03:43:28] But I mean there's been like the gym I train at you know peak performance
[03:43:32] So it's where I do jiu jitsu and then next to it my buddy has a gym called 360 fitness where I'm in and I will train
[03:43:39] And he does personal training there as well
[03:43:41] He's been working with Amanda and then he's been doing personal training with Aiden helping with you know
[03:43:46] Some coordination stuff and stuff and like he just ordered a
[03:43:51] large order
[03:43:53] He ordered a 40 cases and he's getting the the fridge in there and so there's you're seeing a lot of businesses now
[03:43:58] Also that I've been connecting with oh with jocca fuel and of like ordering the fridge is like another like my buddy
[03:44:05] their their business. They ordered 48 cases and
[03:44:09] then
[03:44:10] You know later that week ordered more and there's it's just the progression of growth is just crazy
[03:44:15] to see
[03:44:17] What people are doing the support for just all the jocco
[03:44:21] flavors. I mean all the flavors are great. You know that's the thing is
[03:44:24] You know, of course I want the sour apple snipers to continue to sell and and do well, but at the end of the day
[03:44:30] Yeah, they're all they're all feeding each other. I said I would like but I'm saying at the end of the day
[03:44:36] They're all feeding each other and it's you know what's crazy about this whole story? What?
[03:44:41] There's two right now and there's more common, but there's two
[03:44:44] Signature flavors you in Dakota. Yeah
[03:44:50] Have you ever wondered about why that is
[03:44:55] No, well, I guess the the maybe the
[03:45:02] Like the the seed of
[03:45:05] this this idea
[03:45:08] maybe
[03:45:10] had
[03:45:11] Was it the seed this original idea of making an energy drink
[03:45:18] is from
[03:45:20] from
[03:45:22] you and Dakota as
[03:45:23] individuals, but more you and Dakota's you and Dakota as
[03:45:29] People as a group of people so let's let's face it
[03:45:35] you
[03:45:37] Used to freaking drink energy drinks that are absolutely horrible for you and you would drink how many a day?
[03:45:45] It was bad five to seven five to seven
[03:45:49] That's that's freaking awful Dakota same thing and so
[03:45:55] As and you know, I used to drink them when I would need like oh I need some caffeine because I'm on a long drive and it's late at night
[03:46:03] Okay, I'm gonna drink this and then what happens the next you know once I crash from that from the sugar the insulin you feel like crap
[03:46:09] But but as I thought about like hey because part of my mind is
[03:46:14] I don't want to contribute to that like I don't want to make something that's gonna do that to people
[03:46:19] But then immediately, but what am I gonna do with my friends?
[03:46:24] You and you and Dakota you and you and Dakota that mean it just you guys are
[03:46:28] Sort of the archetype of the
[03:46:33] Energy drink drink a right. Hey, I didn't get much sleep, but I want to get after it boom boom boom
[03:46:39] That's that's what it is. So I don't want to contribute to
[03:46:43] poisoning my friends and
[03:46:46] People like my friends so I'm not gonna do that, but wait a second
[03:46:49] What if we can actually make something that is legitimately good for you?
[03:46:55] That's why when it was like okay
[03:46:59] We need it. Well, we want I think that whole idea of a signature thing. It's like you know what there's two guys that
[03:47:06] Should have a signature freaking energy drink that's good for them and then that's where we're at
[03:47:13] That's awesome. Yeah, I got a message from one of my buddies, you know obviously
[03:47:18] Um most people that listen podcast probably know this because you follow joker you follow origin you follow joker
[03:47:25] If you'll Pete Brian all them as well is you know we just brought on Bryce Mitchell as a sponsor
[03:47:31] Protein member right you know thug nasty. Yeah. He's got a big fight coming up. Yeah, he just hit top 15
[03:47:37] For his rankings as well on the UFC and you know his manager Matt it's a great guy and he's I've always had a good relationship with him and Bryce
[03:47:45] And I use a sponsor price when I had never settled a parallel and I did what I could at back
[03:47:50] That you know
[03:47:52] Which wasn't much, but you know us being able to bring them on board the team is is awesome. He's a
[03:47:57] Great fit but his manager is like hit me up. He's like, too
[03:48:01] That's Sarah. It was not really dick years
[03:48:04] He's like I got my put it on I put it on I still got super cool. He's like I'm gonna get my wife off of drinking the other energy drinks because she's a nurse
[03:48:11] And she what she do say she think you know boom goes in I said hey
[03:48:17] Let your wife know
[03:48:19] The flavor isn't gonna make sense throughout the beginning because she's so used to like all this other sugar and junk and everything
[03:48:25] I was like that because that's a lot of people say like well the flavor is a little different
[03:48:28] But then that they'll drink a few of them like oh, this is really good. I like it
[03:48:32] You know because you have to understand like you don't drink a lot of sugar. You never have any yeah most people that do
[03:48:38] Like now you're actually drinking that something that's all natural
[03:48:41] has no sugar. It's it's good for you like that's crazy and so he's
[03:48:47] My purpose is saying all that is he's super thankful that he's gonna now be able to get his wife off of the other
[03:48:52] Energy drinks. She's gonna be able to have part of this and Bryce is like all about this like he's sending me text messages
[03:48:58] He's putting and he's like man. This is my go to someone who goes to it
[03:49:02] It's really you know the other thing that
[03:49:04] A jocca fuel an origin had been doing is growing their sponsored team members like you know working with they call it the protein right
[03:49:10] Just different members that are gonna reflect it gonna be a good reflection of origin and jocca fuel and what that means
[03:49:18] You know and Brian and them have been working hard. They're releasing an ambassador program
[03:49:22] So there are people that if they want to represent origin and jocca fuel
[03:49:26] They can actually apply to do that and be a brand ambassador for the two best companies that are out there right now
[03:49:33] And so it's just it's crazy that I am a part of all this. It's just a little bit of it
[03:49:39] It just blows me away a man and I you know my wife man and I were talking last night about it and I was just
[03:49:45] It's just crazy just to see it, you know, and I
[03:49:49] Know we're gonna close it out like he has no one would do, but you know
[03:49:53] I have to take a moment to thank Amanda and and Aiden and Korra and Nola
[03:49:58] Just for their dedication to me to just always have my back, you know Amanda's through thick and thin
[03:50:06] I'm not an easy person to live with I'm not an easy person to be married with to work with
[03:50:11] I have a lot of you know demons that I work through and you know
[03:50:15] She she knows that and sees that and she'll be like you just need to go to the gym all right
[03:50:19] or hey go sit in the sauna or go to do some jitsu because she knows
[03:50:24] you know
[03:50:25] All the guys that I work with and do jiu jitsu over at peak and
[03:50:29] Justin and Zach over 360 fitness like they're there to support me and they support my family it's it's unlike anything I've ever seen you know and
[03:50:40] They they
[03:50:42] The loyalty and it's it's incredible and it's so swine. I was like lacking and you know
[03:50:47] That's what I was missing out on again and just to have that, but it's all driven from Amanda and my family and
[03:50:53] You know when the drink came out
[03:50:56] You know Amanda you know we got it and choose like I was this awesome
[03:51:00] You know it was really cool and she like comes up and she gives me a hug and she like put their hand on my chest and she's like just looking up at me
[03:51:06] She's okay. I'm really proud of you
[03:51:09] Like I am really proud of everything that you've worked for
[03:51:13] It's been a road
[03:51:15] Your issues like it's been a it's been a it's been a it's been a I wish she's exactly it was this not a rough road
[03:51:21] But it's something you know don't belong to journey right and I just I
[03:51:25] Was just soaking in and because
[03:51:28] Then we've had some dark times between the two of us and just to know that in the last four years
[03:51:33] We went from all the struggles everything up and down to where you know
[03:51:39] We just received like cases of
[03:51:42] Sour apple sniper with my signature on it and just all the crazy thing that's coming up and the
[03:51:48] Just the the relationships with origin and jocco fuel. I mean I know you're very thankful for that partnership
[03:51:55] But to like when we really look into like who p is and who Amanda Roberts is and who Brian Littlefield is and everyone associated with those companies
[03:52:05] They are some of the best people that I know
[03:52:08] Legitimately some of the best people I know and what they're doing here in America
[03:52:12] What you guys are doing echo and jocco with them in America?
[03:52:16] It's it gives me a sense of pride to be like hey, this is another mission that I can at least maybe help a little bit
[03:52:22] I can contribute a little bit, you know
[03:52:25] And so I'm just so thankful just for all these opportunities. It's it's unreal and you know I
[03:52:31] What I'm thankful as well is this is a platform for me to be able to give back and serve and serve more people
[03:52:39] And that's you know something we can get into on another podcast of just some of the stuff that we have on in the horizon of different foundations to be able to help out and be able to work alongside
[03:52:50] You know mom and Lee with America's might warriors she
[03:52:54] Her foundation probably legitimately saved my life because in March I got super sick
[03:52:59] We don't know what was going on you remember I was I was pissing blood for two weeks rate my body was shutting down
[03:53:05] We don't know why
[03:53:07] Kidney failure adrenal gland failure and just just a bunch of other stuff that was going on
[03:53:15] I was throwing up my head was killing me. I was getting those headaches again word vision
[03:53:22] I was losing like the ability like to talk sometimes like I couldn't find my words. I couldn't focus and
[03:53:30] You know coronavirus hit and
[03:53:32] I
[03:53:34] Debbie Lee mom-ali reached out to me and she says hey, I got you approved for age-bought treatments a hyperbaric oxygen treatments
[03:53:41] You have the time let's get you in there and I I was doing those treatments and
[03:53:48] It was a realization to me of how hard mom-ali is working to serve others and
[03:53:55] I have this opportunity to be able to try to help and give back and
[03:53:59] You know there's there's good foundations like America's Mario Warriors that are doing so much for people that most people don't know about and
[03:54:08] You know I did all those treatments and
[03:54:12] It was incredible the difference that it made for my body like a complete 180
[03:54:17] Like able to work out again like I blocked out in the middle of a workout and
[03:54:21] Past out and I mean it was it was bad or like we're just still not sure what would happen and
[03:54:27] And
[03:54:30] Yeah, and then now a few months later. I'm able to work out and train hard again and actually get back in the training
[03:54:36] You jitsu and then you know actually working out
[03:54:39] I'm just trying to get back on that path again and it's you know just all the clean supplements from
[03:54:45] Jocquafuel and an origin is just everything. It's just made a huge difference. That's crazy
[03:54:50] Yeah, so you're doing those curls on the internet. Yeah, the varying levels of emotional response from you. I didn't I didn't
[03:54:59] Take a film of the last one I hit, but I will for you
[03:55:05] Okay, all right, all right, okay, so you're you doing well is that preacher is that preacher curl now?
[03:55:13] Straight bar back home
[03:55:15] Put the preacher curls yeah legit for sure. So yes speaking of curls milk right you need that protein
[03:55:23] That's probably way you can curl that much on that maltrain anyway protein in the form of a dessert
[03:55:29] Yeah, don't forget about that
[03:55:31] Yeah, that is to sum up the jockel fuel supplementation line. Oh wait no
[03:55:38] Jocquafuel you can't forget the word you could milk all good. You can get it vitamin shop
[03:55:44] You can get it at origin main dot com you can also get jiu jitsu stuff there you can get geese
[03:55:53] You can get a rash guard you can get so that's good. You're covered kind of for jiu jitsu
[03:55:58] But you're not really covered for the street if you only have a geey
[03:56:02] That's true. So that's why you have to have origin genes
[03:56:06] Which you can wear on the street
[03:56:08] You can kind of wear them on the mats of justice as well if they're dealt with jiu
[03:56:12] It's kind of flexible. Okay, so you could jeans you can get boots. You can get t-shirts. You can get rash guards
[03:56:17] geese
[03:56:19] hats
[03:56:20] hoodies sure all that stuff made in America and by the way jpe when you're like oh, it's it feels good to be a part of that
[03:56:29] That's what everybody feels like when you you when you're when you're when you put on an origin
[03:56:34] Petit shirt when you put on an origin hoodie when you put on an origin pair of jeans
[03:56:41] You're part of what we are doing
[03:56:44] Bringing manufacturing back to America and that's awesome
[03:56:50] Orgene mean dot com also jocco
[03:56:54] Jocco as a store. It's called jocco store. So this is if you want to represent while we are on the path that we are on
[03:57:00] factually we too have rash guards a little bit more indicative of
[03:57:06] the path directly
[03:57:08] same same also made
[03:57:11] Oh, yeah, that was a good word. Yes, so we do have origin rash cards manufactured in America made in America
[03:57:18] designed by not Pete Roberts, but in America, but in America, but yes designed in America
[03:57:25] Maybe by acquitturals yes in terms of visual impact sure so there's two different people know all right
[03:57:32] Some people look at the Pete Roberts stuff and they go hey, I like that some people might think they want something a little bit more on the
[03:57:38] Jocco store side yes
[03:57:43] Indicative of the path yes, that's where yes, so yes
[03:57:48] Jocco's there also t-shirts on there disciplinical freedom good
[03:57:51] You know you gotta represent these things get after it some hats on there some hoodies on there some shorts on there shorts are in
[03:57:59] Sort just straight up in board shorts. I like it. That's cool. I don't have mine yet
[03:58:05] That's true. You know in a jack-dough some of us are sort of in the game some of us are you know
[03:58:09] You're you're the what do you call it? You're the second guy what do you call it one like the first people the primary people get their stuff?
[03:58:16] You know you're a first was it a first responder?
[03:58:19] No, it's not a first one like that early adapter. That's you. I'm over here in the rear
[03:58:25] You're out the gear you're early early
[03:58:28] Followers and drink this either way you'll get yours while get ours these are all good things. Jocco store dot com if you like something on there
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[03:58:39] Don't forget also that we have some other podcasts. We've got jocco unraveling with Darrell Cooper. We've got grounded
[03:58:45] We've got warrior kid podcast
[03:58:47] We've got a YouTube channel where echo allegedly puts effort into making videos
[03:58:57] The top rope slow here like a
[03:59:00] And in no time any time that the video is long you can expect to see no
[03:59:07] No effects no effects, but if the video is short you can see an overload of effects
[03:59:11] You can be the judge you can leave comments if you think echo put an appropriate amount of explosions in a video
[03:59:19] You can say appropriate if you think he did not you can put lacking those are your two choices
[03:59:25] Just to put in the comments either appropriate or lacking. I think if you look at a long video
[03:59:30] You're probably gonna put lacking since there's zero. No, but that's appropriate. It seems saying zero is a
[03:59:35] Perth or a lot of people don't feel that way a lot of people wouldn't mind a little visual stimulation
[03:59:41] But whatever noted you're over there on your own program also got an album called psychological warfare
[03:59:47] Which is an album where I talk about some things if you're maybe heading down the wrong path
[03:59:52] Maybe you're about to make a bad decision. Don't do it press play on your
[03:59:56] MP3 player on your phone device device of whatever kind that's putting music
[04:00:02] Putting things putting sounds into your ears go ahead hit psychological warfare overcome that weakness no factor
[04:00:08] course to it. I pretty look
[04:00:10] guaranteed
[04:00:12] That you'll after the fact be appreciative of psychological warfare
[04:00:16] You're going into psychological warfare you want to win. Yes, you want to win that battle
[04:00:22] When you win that battle guaranteed you're gonna feel better
[04:00:25] You're not gonna look back and say damn I really wish I would have had that don't it?
[04:00:28] Zero chance of that happening there's zero chance that you look back and say I wish I wouldn't have listened to psychological warfare and
[04:00:35] Skip the workout. No, you get done with a workout. You're like. Yes. Yeah. I won the battle
[04:00:39] Yeah, there's literally no circumstance where you're like dang. I'm so happy I slapped off like
[04:00:45] You know, you know
[04:00:46] Happy so stoked I slack off good thing I slack off
[04:00:51] Under no circumstance is you're right hundred percent you might want a visual representation of these things
[04:00:56] You can get that from flipside canvas dot com Dakota Meyer
[04:00:59] That's his company. He's keeping it real
[04:01:02] Also got some books the code the evaluation of protocol leadership strategy and tactics field manual
[04:01:08] All the answers are in that book by the way
[04:01:11] All these and all the questions that I get asked their answers are always in there. Oh
[04:01:15] Oh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
[04:01:18] Page 47 what about this page 98 what about that what about what I do in my boss does this page 114
[04:01:26] Way the warrior kid one two and three Mikey in the dragons
[04:01:30] Teach a little kid to overcome fear can you imagine?
[04:01:34] Super power you have when you're a little kid and you realize you don't need to be afraid
[04:01:40] Give them that power give them Mikey in the dragons discipline you're free them feel manual
[04:01:44] How to get after and then of course extreme ownership and the dichotomy of leadership the foundational principles
[04:01:52] Written by myself and my brother, Dave Babin
[04:01:55] we also have and
[04:01:58] Leadership consultancy we talked about today if you want help with your leadership go to
[04:02:04] echelon front dot com and that's how you can get us in the game with you
[04:02:09] EF online that is
[04:02:15] The online training JP talked about it today. I talked about it. I think a little bit today
[04:02:19] But we've been referring to back to it a lot because we're getting a lot of good
[04:02:22] Questions problem solving leadership situations being handled
[04:02:28] It's awesome live if you want to ask JP a question
[04:02:32] You if you actually want to ask JP to know a question
[04:02:35] Do you have to travel to Texas to do that? No, you can go to EF online on a Wednesday
[04:02:41] And JP will there you may have got a question for JP if you want to ask me a question
[04:02:46] Do you have to come to California to do that? No, you don't you can go to EF online
[04:02:50] You can ask me a question. What if it's a complicated question cool bring it?
[04:02:54] What if it's a question that's too long for Twitter great?
[04:02:58] You're not on Twitter. You're sitting in a Zoom meeting
[04:03:00] You got some good answers on that. Yeah, I was mad. That's some good on that's what we do
[04:03:07] So go to EF online.com if you want to engage with us there. We also have the master two of them this year have been canceled
[04:03:17] Orlando and Phoenix the next one is in Dallas December 3rd and 4th
[04:03:21] A lot of people that were going to either Orlando or
[04:03:24] Phoenix are now coming to Dallas. We're probably going to have to do some kind of social distancing that means less seats available
[04:03:32] So if you want to come
[04:03:34] Go to extremotorship.com and in role. We have EF Overwatch
[04:03:40] Executive leadership what you need inside your organization. Why not get someone that has the principles that we talked about today in their mind and can apply them
[04:03:50] Someone from the military someone with experience in leadership positions that can come into your organization and
[04:03:56] Help move you in the right direction
[04:03:59] Go to EF Overwatch.com
[04:04:01] I always talk about America's mighty warriors.org. It's what J.P. just talked about
[04:04:08] I always say that
[04:04:09] Mama Lee's mission has become to help service members
[04:04:12] There's a service member J.P. How does she help by providing medical treatment to heal up
[04:04:20] Military members that have made sacrifices
[04:04:23] So if you want to get involved, all you want to donate go to america's mighty warriors.org help veterans
[04:04:34] And if you have too much time on your hands
[04:04:37] and you
[04:04:39] You want to hear just a few more of my monotonous monologues
[04:04:44] or if you want to hear more a little just a little bit more of echo Charles's
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[04:05:07] On Instagram Twitter Facebook Echo Charles and Eclosing thoughts. Nope. I have no closing thoughts. Good to see J.P. again
[04:05:16] Yes, well J.P. anything else
[04:05:27] Thank you
[04:05:29] To you in life
[04:05:31] For the opportunity that you've given my family
[04:05:34] Like Dave Burke and I have talked many times. His family knows where all this comes from
[04:05:41] My kids are well aware of everything that uncle Lief and uncle jocco has given them and
[04:05:49] You know again, thank you to Amanda for her support
[04:05:53] Is the ultimate cover move? I could not do what I do with you guys if it wasn't for her support
[04:05:58] so she is
[04:06:00] She's my queen she is everything. I don't treat her as good as I should
[04:06:06] And I need to do a better job at that and understand that I could not how the opportunity that I have with you guys if it was not for her
[04:06:13] and the kids supporting everything that I do and
[04:06:18] I don't I don't want you in life or any of anybody on the team to everything that I take this for granted
[04:06:24] That I feel like I deserve more than I should get
[04:06:28] I am thankful to be here. I'm thankful for my seat at the table and I will always be with you guys until the end
[04:06:37] Well first of all as far as Amanda goes I'm thinking maybe
[04:06:42] Amanda Mango is on the horizon
[04:06:45] Get her little signature drink
[04:06:47] Yeah, and I'm not gonna open up at the bat with you right now in terms of thanking me and I probably told you this at least probably
[04:06:54] Five times no more than that in certain situations that you don't ever have to thank me for anything
[04:07:01] I thank you for what you did for me for what you did for tasking a bruiser for what you did for the teams for what you did to the country and
[04:07:11] For our country
[04:07:12] So never have to thank me. I thank you
[04:07:16] And all the other military personnel out there on those forgotten barricades
[04:07:25] Who protect our way of life in the world?
[04:07:29] Thanks to all of you and to the police and law enforcement in firefighters and paramedics and EMTs and dispatchers and
[04:07:37] Correctional officers and border patrol and secret service and all the other first responders
[04:07:42] Thanks to all of you for standing up to serve even when you're under attack from all sides
[04:07:54] And to everyone else out there
[04:07:59] No one said that the path is gonna be easy and
[04:08:03] It's not
[04:08:07] That's the way life is
[04:08:09] And
[04:08:11] You're gonna go through some low spots and you might be running low on ammo
[04:08:18] And you you might even feel like
[04:08:24] There's no hope
[04:08:28] But you know what
[04:08:31] Doesn't matter
[04:08:34] Keep fighting
[04:08:36] Keep keep keep fighting keep striving keep going and don't give up because the only real failure is actually giving up and if you don't give up
[04:08:53] You will not fail them
[04:08:55] You
[04:09:01] And until next time
[04:09:03] This is JP and echo and jockel out